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So sick of walking on eggshells but can't deal with the fall-out if I don't. Advice please!

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DWofMN · 09/06/2022 11:43

I'm using DH's account, I'm not a MNer so please forgive me if I mess up the terminology - and apologies that this is long.

DH posted recently about an issue I'm having with my family and the general advice was either to go NC or to stand up to them - I don't feel like I can do either because DM has a temper but I love her dearly and treasure her in my life. She's an amazing GP to DS.

There are a few incidents playing on my mind and I don't know how to handle them:

DH and I are moving house to a new location, just over two hours from where we live. DM messaged me a couple of weeks ago to say that DSis was going on holiday to "nearby" the new house and, because DSis wanted to do an "adult only" activity with her DH, they had asked DM to come along and babysit DN. DM suggested we take this opportunity to show her our new house (I don't see why she needs to see it tbh) and I said I'd speak to the agent. The agent said it basically depends how busy they are - the owners won't allow us to just have free access to the house (it's vacant) which is fair enough so the agent said he'd do a viewing for DM if he has a slot available on the day but that he'd be prioritising people viewing properties who are actually going to purchase them (which is also fair enough). It also tied in well because I'm in my third trimester now and DSis still has my 0+ baby seat from when DN was little - and I need it back. So, I could tie in getting that back from her, I asked her to take it with her so I could get it back and she said she would. I've been anxious to get it back because DSis isn't the most reliable and I'm worried it'll be broken or missing parts and I need to know ASAP because it's part of our whole travel system.

On the day, the agent said that, unfortunately, he's fully booked up and there's no way he can do a viewing of the house for DM but that the vendors have said they have no problem with us going onto the property to look at the gardens and things - and we could also show DM the local area. I relayed this to DM, who was annoyed but ok, and I suggested we do an activity that's right next to the house that DS and DN would enjoy - DM agreed and we said what our ETA was and I sent a link and Google Maps location for the activity. When we arrived, about two hours later, there was no sign of DM and a few minutes later, DH got a text from DM that said "that's too far away..." (even though it's right next to the house she wanted to go and see) so DH replied asking her what she'd like to do. She replied "well, you could suggest somewhere closer for a start" - we don't know where she even is, all she's said to us is that she's staying "nearby the new house" (which was the entire reason she wanted us to book the viewing). She sent us her location, which was almost an hour away (and, by this point, we'd left the house three hours earlier, with a toddler and me being sick the whole time). DH drove the extra hour down and we met DM, DF and DN. DM was in a bad mood the whole time and told us she couldn't stay long (we met at a pub) because they needed to check out by 4pm (it was now gone 2pm) which I thought was odd because they were staying with DSis on her holiday so didn't need to "check out" but whatever. So, at 3.30pm DM went to the bathroom, I checked the time and said to DF we'd better head off to check out - at which point he said there's no rush because there's no check-out time. He said that just as DM reappeared, and she then had a big strop because she'd clearly been caught in a lie and just didn't want to spend any time with me. DF then wanted DH to help with lifting luggage so we went back to their accommodation to help, DSis came back at that point and said that she hadn't brought the car seat because she couldn't fit it in the car... So, I'd spent a day of my bank holiday driving for almost 8 hours to sit with my mum for 2 hours whilst she sulked, have DH sent rude text messages and not get my car seat back! It feels like I did nothing but try to appease her (by trying to get the viewing, by driving the extra hour to her, by pretending to accept she never said they had to check-out, by DH helping them pack, by not responding in kind to her rude messages etc) and all I got in return was her showing that she doesn't care at all.

DS has a birthday coming up and, because people insist on buying huge plastic toys that we have no space for despite us asking multiple times for them not to, we made an online list of gifts we think DS would like that are either activities or very small (a range of prices and no pressure to get anything). The online list is like a wedding gift registry where people say what they've bought so you don't end up with duplicates. For previous birthdays/Christmases, people have asked us for gift ideas and, regardless of what we suggest and even when we say "anything that isn't huge because we have no space", certain relatives insist on purchasing the biggest imaginable toys. I don't mean to sound ungrateful. One of DS's relatives purchased an activity gift from the list to take him to do. The next day, I got an irate message from DM asking why it's no longer available because she wanted to do that one. I asked around and found out, but explained to DM that DS would definitely enjoy doing the activity more than once so she can do it too if she likes - but she said no, she didn't want to do what someone else was doing. So, I had to ask the relative to give that up so DM could do it. Then, on a video call to DM later that day, DS showed her his new toy that he loves that he'd seen whilst we were out shopping (a small toy about £7). DM then got upset because she'd bought him the exact same toy for his birthday (how were we supposed to know that?) and couldn't return it because she'd bought it many months ago. I resolved that by saying we could return the one she has (still in packaging) as if it's the one we bought (they're identical and bought from the same store) and that DS can have the one he currently has a birthday gift from her - so she eventually, and grumpily, accepted that solution.

Then, last night, DM sent a link to our group chat to a holiday home booked for 2 days after my due date this summer. It's five hours drive from where I live, and mine and DH's share would be almost £1000 just for the house. The message accompanying the link said it was so that we could now go on the holiday. DM has been trying to book a family holiday abroad but we pointed out that we couldn't get a passport for the baby (and obviously can't leave a baby that's a day old with a sitter or anything) so obviously we couldn't go - so that was cancelled, with a lot of stropping and angst directed at me. DBro hasn't spoken to me since that was cancelled and DSis has only spoken to confirm she'd bring the car seat and then, when I saw him, to say she hadn't brought it. DSis then responded to the group chat with a pointed and sulky message about "oh, so this is instead of going somewhere nice abroad then?". I feel like I've ruined everyone else's summer holiday plans because I wouldn't go abroad so I feel like I have to agree with this holiday in the UK. But, in truth, we can't afford to pay thousands for a holiday right now and I don't want to book something for two days after the baby is due! I didn't reply in the group chat because I didn't know what to say so then I got a message late last night from DM saying that she's going to phone me today to "nail down my plans for July and August". I can't "nail down my plans" - the baby could come at almost any point in July/August (due date is the very start of August), so my only plan is to be prepared for that.

I feel like the stress of appeasing her is just too much - but it's so much less stress than either confronting her or ignoring her. So, there's no option which isn't stressful. I'm so ill, I have HG and I'm over a stone lighter than my booking-in weight and my weight is going down again. I just want to curl up in a ball, ignore everybody and cry - but that won't resolve the issue. She's going to phone me and I just don't know what to say, I don't even want to answer.

What do I do? I think I just needed to write all of that out.

OP posts:
LittleOwl153 · 12/06/2022 14:48

I agree. You are getting the silent treatment and this will continue until either you tow the line or they need something from you (like the boot).

You HAVE to ignore it and do your best for your toddler, your husband, your baby and most of all yourself! Silence is golden... let it hang and see what THEY do. It will be nothing unless they need something from you. You will then hopefully see that they don't give a damn about you - it is only about what you can do for them.

Good luck with the baby I hope all settles down there soon and you can escape back home.

REignbow · 12/06/2022 15:34

I agree with everyone else, mute the chat. NOW.

You are in hospital yourself. Your midwife is concerned about YOUR health and that of your baby.

You do not need any additional stress

Please put yourself first.

Threetulips · 12/06/2022 15:44

From my reading of the thread Dsis is as much of an issue as DMum - she is also saying the OP can't talk about her pg - isn't retuning car seats

But if the parents alienate the children from each other, as she clearly has with DB - then getting together may make them feel stronger. Parents may well be bullying all of them separately.

If could be they all don’t want a family holiday but feel bullied by mother or feel they have to tow the line, or it’ll be their turn.

By having a secure sibling may make the difference - sis may have been told to ignore her and told lies, but unless they attempt to get together they won’t know which is what Mother is banking on.

DWofMN · 12/06/2022 15:56

I'm absolutely certain that DSis wouldn't lie about the health of DN or use DN as any kind of weapon or manipulation tactic. For the people who asked, we all live a few hours apart from each other so all at different hospitals. In terms of communication, I've had nothing from DBro in weeks (since he announced he's coming to the UK), all I've had from DSis since then was a message agreeing to bring the car seat, briefly seeing her when she said she hadn't brought the car seat, the upset message about not going abroad (to the group) and then this message about DN (to the group). From DM, I've only had messages about meeting to discuss the holiday and about her ankle (neither in the group chat) - until a few hours ago.

DM messaged earlier about her ankle and I gave a kind, polite but not over-the-top response to her. She then asked "how are you?" which I wasn't expecting. DH and I decided that I should respond to that too, so I told her I've been diagnosed with HELLP and that the doctors/midwives are trying to keep everything steady until 34 weeks to induce as late as possible. She responded by asking how many weeks I am now and then saying that she's on holiday until 2 days before DS's birthday so it'd be "convenient" if DD arrives on his birthday because then they'll have one birthday.

I haven't replied to that and I don't intend to. I don't want to be factoring in her "convenience" when negotiating when to induce a premature baby.

OP posts:
LookItsMeAgain · 12/06/2022 16:11

Seriously - mute the chat. Give your DH your phone if you don't think you can mute the chat yourself.
Even that last comment about it being convenient to possibly share the same birthday - that is all about convenience by having both siblings sharing the same birth date - and not about you or the baby. Every child is different and if I had to share the same birthdate with a sibling, there would be massive rivalry (not to mention how difficult it would be to try to coordinate two separate birthday parties if you have a daughter who isn't in to the same stuff as your son is) at birthday time.

Download and use the Calm app on your phone and teach yourself to meditate if you don't think you could mute their chats. Focus on your recovery and your wellbeing.

blubberyboo · 12/06/2022 16:12

You simply need to clearly and strongly tell them all in the group chat that you are pregnant and will not be able to go on ANY holiday around your due date but you would be delighted and supportive if they all went on their foreign holiday together. Why anyone would even think you would be holidaying in UK or abroad is beyond me

REignbow · 12/06/2022 16:18

DWofMN · 12/06/2022 15:56

I'm absolutely certain that DSis wouldn't lie about the health of DN or use DN as any kind of weapon or manipulation tactic. For the people who asked, we all live a few hours apart from each other so all at different hospitals. In terms of communication, I've had nothing from DBro in weeks (since he announced he's coming to the UK), all I've had from DSis since then was a message agreeing to bring the car seat, briefly seeing her when she said she hadn't brought the car seat, the upset message about not going abroad (to the group) and then this message about DN (to the group). From DM, I've only had messages about meeting to discuss the holiday and about her ankle (neither in the group chat) - until a few hours ago.

DM messaged earlier about her ankle and I gave a kind, polite but not over-the-top response to her. She then asked "how are you?" which I wasn't expecting. DH and I decided that I should respond to that too, so I told her I've been diagnosed with HELLP and that the doctors/midwives are trying to keep everything steady until 34 weeks to induce as late as possible. She responded by asking how many weeks I am now and then saying that she's on holiday until 2 days before DS's birthday so it'd be "convenient" if DD arrives on his birthday because then they'll have one birthday.

I haven't replied to that and I don't intend to. I don't want to be factoring in her "convenience" when negotiating when to induce a premature baby.

OMG.

Do you not realise how outrageous this is?

The DR’s are trying to ensure that you don’t go into premature labour before 34weeks and she’s suggesting that you have baby on X date, to make it convenient for her!

YOUR baby is worth so much more than her and any of your family.

DWofMN · 12/06/2022 16:23

To be clear, I don't think she's suggesting I change medical plans to accommodate her with the baby coming - just letting me know what's convenient for her. But, it's hurtful that her first thought was to share what's convenient for her rather than anything else, even if she doesn't think expect us to act on it.

OP posts:
Throckmorton · 12/06/2022 16:30

In the kindest way possible, you have to put your baby before your mum and siblings. Ie you have to make sure you are calm and unstressed and in the circumstances that means stepping back from your siblings and mum. Have your husband monitor the messages and you don't look at them. I know it's hard, but it's necessary.

MercurialMonday · 12/06/2022 16:35

By having a secure sibling may make the difference - sis may have been told to ignore her and told lies, but unless they attempt to get together they won’t know which is what Mother is banking on.

It doesn't usually work like that - as everyone comes out of FOG at different times and have subtle different relationships within the family and different goals and different levels of external support.

Also DSis has a sick child she may well need her DMum support - which she may well get when OP doesn't- and be unwilling to have family changes and distractions as it's not her current priority. The Dsis also hasn't so far been very supportive of the OP.

I also think the OP is doing well - taking small steps - trying to step back rather than chasing around different family members and talking through how to respond with her DH - who is less enmeshed in Op family dynamic and who's concern is OP and their children

MercurialMonday · 12/06/2022 16:41

DWofMN · 12/06/2022 16:23

To be clear, I don't think she's suggesting I change medical plans to accommodate her with the baby coming - just letting me know what's convenient for her. But, it's hurtful that her first thought was to share what's convenient for her rather than anything else, even if she doesn't think expect us to act on it.

It does hint her priories are her convenience rather than new baby and your health - but it may just be a throw away comment she made without any deeper meaning or real thought - in both cases it's best ignored.

Plus if little comments like this are causing stress - mute the chat or have DH monitor it - rather than giving them your mental energy - if you do find yourself dwelling try distraction - as it is hard to battle usual though processes but it does sound like that is what you need to do.

DefiniteTortoise · 12/06/2022 16:44

If you do feel the need to reply I'd go with something like "Both having the same birthday would certainly be easier to remember - I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens!"

Acknowledging her statement, polite, noncommittal.

Lollypop701 · 12/06/2022 16:46

If her reaction to you telling her you have a significant illness and are going to have a prem baby isn’t enough to get you to go NC I don’t know what will. Your mother clearly has issues, you can’t fix them. I think she knows she is loosing control with you so is being for her ‘nice’ right now. She love bombs your existing child because it’s a form of control over you. She doesn’t love you she owns you. You have yourself to take care of and your own family. Time to put you all first. I hope you and your baby stay well as can be and that your family prosper (that doesn’t include your extended relative) . Hope you can update on your pregnancy . 💐

Dutch1e · 12/06/2022 17:13

Oh love, this all feels so familiar.

Imagine being happy at a new message in a family groups instead of getting a sinking/panicky feeling. Imagine the whole family knowing how fragile your health is and organising meal trains, afternoons out with DS or just funny memes to cheer you up. Imagine a mum who you can call to have a little cry or to talk about the baby kicking.

You're being robbed of happiness and real love. I wonder if you posted this to see if anyone knows the right words to say that will magically create a peaceful situation? I spent too many years looking for those words until I sadly realised that my constant upset & unhappiness IS the goal.

If your mum is anything like mine she'll also turn on your DS, and turn him against you. Right now you're offering up your own child as a sacrifice. She's abusive, I hope you are able to leave the family chat and ignore calls. This is as good as it's ever going to get, and it will get much worse. My heart goes out to you.

RampantIvy · 12/06/2022 17:13

@DWofMN please try and remember that you don't owe them anything. You aren't responsible for them. You are responsible for your own little family and yourself.

theremustonlybeone · 12/06/2022 17:17

Your mum didn’t even ask how you were or how your coping with this additional
stress. It’s very sad that her primary concern is her own convenience

Terfydactyl · 12/06/2022 17:33

but DSis has replied to DM and both DBros but not to me

She has realised you are pulling away, she is probably the next in line for the treatment you usually get. That would piss her off. Shes currently golden, gets none of the shit, has to do no work to keep mum off her back.
if when you go low or no contact, she will have to do something, take the crap, be the whipping boy, be bloody awfully badly treated. And her child will take some of the shit too. None of this is your concern, they are all adults and choosing to treat you appallingly.
I also think dn was never ill and your mother did nothing to her ankle.

They are just trying things to make you come to heel.

Newestname002 · 12/06/2022 18:32

Thejoyfulstar · 12/06/2022 13:24

My husband is a great advocate of 'the wet fart technique'. If someone texts or says something crap, resist the urge to respond and let it hang in the air like a 'wet fart'. It's surprisingly effective while being low in the confrontation stakes.

I like this idea! Easy to remember and apply. 🌹

Newestname002 · 12/06/2022 18:54

@DWofMN

I don't think she's suggesting I change medical plans to accommodate her with the baby coming - just letting me know what's convenient for her.

But WHY would this even occur to her to even think this? It's not normal in right thinking, empathic people to have this enter their heads.

You have already started protecting yourself a little more but really would do better for yourself and your unborn child if you just loosened your grip a little more, instead of trying to flex round these manipulative machinations of your family and drop the rope. Your 100% focus needs to be on resting, mentally and physically, and doing what's best for YOU.

You would not have been whisked into hospital for inconsequential reasons, so please do take heed of your midwife's concern and back away from your wider family for now and mute/tune them out. I hope the rest of your time on hospital is calmer for you. 🌹

RandomMess · 12/06/2022 19:45

She basically ignored the fact you are unwell and your baby is at risk and will be born prematurely.

It's all about her and no one else is allowed any attention or empathy or support.

Newestname002 · 12/06/2022 21:11

Oops: empathetic not empathic. 🌹

Comtesse · 13/06/2022 16:37

Hope you are doing ok today OP Flowers

Butitssafe · 16/06/2022 15:55

How are you @DWofMN

focuspocus · 20/06/2022 10:30

@DWofMN Hope you are doing okay. Flowers

scj96 · 20/06/2022 11:15

I try not to speak ill of people and I'm sorry, but your DM sounds like an absolute horror.

Stop replying to her, stop pandering to her. What kind of person, let alone someone's mother, suggests a holiday two days after someone's due date, and then has a strop when they say no and demands a "meeting" to discuss it.