To say that as the mother of teens who did stick to the rules and whose mental health suffered no I am not over partygate

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I’m steaming angry actually and will be for some time. Particularly given how dire mental health support is for teens and those pushed into nothing at 18.

Getting sick and tired of hearing how tedious partygate is from those that want it to go away. Some of us are still living with it and reliant on services that are overwhelmed with a massive increase in those needing them post lockdown. Teens and kids who would have loved to have get togethers, parties and sit exams but who followed the rules and stayed at home damaging their mental health instead.😡

So sorry @PinkiOcelot. 💐 Your experience and others in the same boat is why I won’t let it go.

YANBU. My 17 year old daughter has anxiety. As other have said, she didn't get the chance to sit any of her GCSE's properly and even though this time last year were better, her school would not put on any kind of prom even an outdoors party. She has not really kept in touch with any of her year 11 friends and rarely goes out. My boys who are older seem to have been relatively unscathed.

Yanbu.

I dont think it's a case of not being able to let go or stewing on it and not moving on as others have said.

People are still living with the effects of lockdowns, I know people who are still struggling with their mental health, elderly people who have not been able to get back mobility etc. My primary age child hates school after previously liking it - the teacher confirmed it's been very intense this year as they try and catch up so there is not as much time for the lighter fun stuff, and there are lots of friendship issues as they havent had the same chances to socialise.

If it wasn't still having an effect on our family daily and weekly I would probably get over it but for us and a lot of other people, it's not 'over'.

It's like if a relationship finishes, and then you find out afterwards that they were cheating or had stolen from you or something. Just because it was in the past doesn't mean it still doesn't make you feel angry and hurt

I'd love to be over having a lying prime minister who thinks the rules don't apply to him. Unfortunately he's still there...

I am annoyed about partygate and will certainly not have forgotten about it at the next election.

I am even more annoyed though, about the denials, the lies, no independent report, the way the Met has handled it, the pathetic attempts to make Starmer look as bad, the suggestions that teachers and health workers were also drinking together after work, the claims of how hard they were working when they knocked off for drinks at 4pm every Friday. The gaslighting that this is just about a bit of cake and a glass of wine when it's really about a prime minister who is a criminal, a liar, completely lacking integrity and just in it for himself.

And now I'm also annoyed about people telling me how to feel and pretending it's for the benefit of my mental health. No, I won't forget what this government has done. People should be angry. You have been treated very, very badly and continue to be. You deserve better. Expect more from your politicians.

And I think its different if someone actually gives a genuine apology. If Boris resigned I'd probably be ok with it. But they are minimising it and still actively trying to downplay it. It's not in the past when they are trying to get investigations to focus elsewhere instead of at them and cover things up still. I think its healthy to hold on to anger for politicians, at least until the next election. I think the alternative of 'politicians are all the same, what do you expect' mentality or focussing on the last one ok ish thing that they did instead of looking back through everything else, is worse

@lassof you debunked your own argument about being angry towards the electorate rather than the elected. I am curious why you can write 'I had no control over the school closures' and extend that get out clause to yourself. Who did have control? You talk about 'us' and how it's 'our fault'. Who has power? Who calls parliament? Who puts bills through? You are not angry at power but at popular opinion then? Is that your argument?

You say Johnson is swayed by popular opinion and the 'screechimg' masses? So you are defensive of a powerful man who succumbs to populism and doesn't know his own convictions and self? A leader who can't lead? No anger or culpability must be directed his way for being without strength or conviction? Don't punch up, punch down?

It is not about him having a glass of wine. Or a Fanta. Or a coffee. Or cake. Or cheese.

Prime Ministers should not propose legislation (particularly rushed emergency legislation) and then apply different standards to themselves.

When questioned Prime Ministers should not lie to Parliament or to the public.

Honesty, transparency & integrity. Not much to ask is it?

I am afraid I don't think anyone should have stuck to the rules.

Exactly.

@stoneysongs Well said!

We need to keep this anger to show that we won't tolerate this in our government!

I’m also angry that the health and well being of children and young people being deprioritised.

I couldn’t give a monkey’s about partygate. What I want to know:
-why did we overreact?
-why were moderate voices derided?
-why did the opposition not oppose? (They just wanted more and harder lockdowns)

I'm not defensive of him. I never voted for him. I consistently opposed lockdown in its stupidity (I actually wanted a lockdown in late January early February latest, by end of half term it was pointless). I am horrified by humans and their capacity to enforce rules without humanity (really, two visitors in ppe to a dying persons bedside is too dangerous?)
Boris is a dick who just follows public opinion. If the majority had been horrified by, for example, total school closures then it wouldn't have happened in the way it did
Anyone who ever thought they followed the rules was deluded.
I was on mn throughout lockdown - people get what they deserve. People on here were vile in their love of petty rule enforcement. It didn't matter if it was logical or not, if it stopped a virus or not, they just loved having a rule to enforce.
That was your fun, people. Boris had other ways of having fun.

Prime Ministers should not propose legislation (particularly rushed emergency legislation) and then apply different standards to themselves.

Absolutely this! Not over it either op. He should've gone months ago.

I’d like to know this too

Exactly - for those people (Tory bots) telling other people to move on - I'll move on when that lying disgrace moves on.

Boris is a dick who just follows public opinion. If the majority had been horrified by, for example, total school closures then it wouldn't have happened in the way it did

He quite clearly wasn't following public opinion when he lied to Parliament though. And he isn't following it by staying in post now.

If you look at my posting history you'll see I'm lockdown questioning, and very angry at the way my children were treated as collateral. But none of this detracts from the issues with hypocrisy, lies and corruption here. People are more than entitled to be angry about that.

No teens here as I'm old now but I empathise. However I did lose both parents within a month of each other during the pandemic. They died alone in hospital because of the restrictions, we were only allowed 10 people at the funeral and no wake - so we all stood awkwardly in the car park crying a bit. Such grim times. I can't help but compare.

Also, all this 'move on we're tired of it' just reminds me of when an ex never used to let me complain about his behaviour - had to move on. Didn't apply to me though not surprisingly.

Sorry also meant to add I will never forget just having to drop my father off at the nursing home after he was allowed to attend the funeral of his wife of 65 years. I wasn't allowed in and he didn't understand and thought I wasn't bothered with him. He died 3 days later. It haunts me.

You can't change other people's behaviour (not in the short-term, anyway), but you can change how you react to it.

Do you think it is better for your teens' mental health to hold onto resentment and keep seething and stoking it by seeking the agreement of others, or do you think it would be better to help them learn to accept that there are always going to be people who behave badly and treat them badly and find a way to deal with that and not let it upset them for long?

The Covid inquiry kicks off in the Autumn - but you won't get much honesty or transparency from the Government whilst Johnson is running it. No doubt they'll have deleted messages, emails will have gone through personal accounts and they'll have upgraded their phones or lost them (I hear the North Sea is very nice this time of the year!).

My mistake - Covid Inquiry begins next year.

My mother died very unexpectedly in the first lockdown - we weren't allowed to visit her until they were withdrawing life support and even then only one person in the room at a time. We then had to cherry pick who could come inside at her funeral, couldn't have a wake, I wasn't allowed to meet up with my family when I was grieving, my child was off school & was struggling with the loss of her grandmother who she was very close to, there was no support available, I was trying to home school and also get back to work (NHS) whilst not being able to see anyone & restricted to one hour of daily exercise. I am incredibly angry that during all of this our 'leaders' were partying. However, it won't undo anything that has been done so I'm trying not to dwell on it. We have been treated appallingly and I think the unwillingness to resign and apologise properly is yet another sign of how out of touch with reality these politicians are.

By that curious Tory fuelled logic why have a criminal justice system ? After all that can't undo what's been done ?

In fact maybe we all need to give our heads a wobble over society in general. After all, what's done is done.

Alternatively, we could reject that view of toff life, and live is a society where actions have consequences, lies have reckonings, and accountability is to be respected as well as feared/

@StopGo so sorry