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To say that as the mother of teens who did stick to the rules and whose mental health suffered no I am not over partygate

204 replies

L1nc0ln729 · 04/06/2022 08:50

I’m steaming angry actually and will be for some time. Particularly given how dire mental health support is for teens and those pushed into nothing at 18.

Getting sick and tired of hearing how tedious partygate is from those that want it to go away. Some of us are still living with it and reliant on services that are overwhelmed with a massive increase in those needing them post lockdown. Teens and kids who would have loved to have get togethers, parties and sit exams but who followed the rules and stayed at home damaging their mental health instead.😡

OP posts:
clarrylove · 04/06/2022 09:41

I couldn't care less. They were working together in a time of national crisis. Very stressful and long hours. Boris' place of work is also his home. If he had a drink with work colleagues so what? Would you also begrudge healthcare workers having a bevvy at the end of their shift or a birthday cake?

lassof · 04/06/2022 09:42

Frankly, why not laugh at us?

ItWorriesMeThisKindofThing · 04/06/2022 09:43

I’d get over it if the people responsible for the rule breaking did the honourable thing and resigned 🤷🏻‍♀️

ancientgran · 04/06/2022 09:44

BreakAwayTime · 04/06/2022 09:11

Holding a grudge isn't good for you. It ensnares you in anger and makes you prone to persistent rumination rather than moving forward with your life. You might think that harboring ill-will harms the person(s) you're angry at, but ultimately you're the one who suffers from it. It doesn't solve your problem(s) and it won’t make you feel any better. There is research that shows that fixating on negative emotions rather than resolving them is also harmful—and can even make for an unpleasant demeanor and substantially erode your well-being.

Its also bad for your mental health to harbour anger and bitterness about something that a) you had no control over, b) happened two years ago and c) was not personally directed at you. Research has also shown that holding on to these negative feelings all beget more negative feelings. Forgiveness and acceptance, on the other hand, often lead to a more emotionally stable mindset, less stress, and healthier well-being. Holding on to anger creates unnecessary stress and living with this additional stress makes you more prone to burnout and other mental ill health like anxiety and depression.

Essentially, the people that have let it go are probably happier right now than the people that are still frothing about it, even with the other current life stressors.

It's still happening to her now if her child has MH issues and is getting no help.

Some people have no empathy.

PeppaPigOinkOinkOink · 04/06/2022 09:44

I'm not over it either OP, I nursed people who died alone whilst they partied together. I'll never be over it.

Blossomtoes · 04/06/2022 09:44

I’m another who isn’t and never will be over it. I’m fortunate that the personal impact on me was negligible but I’m so, so angry on behalf of people who couldn’t see their aged relatives, all the old people who didn’t understand, the kids who lost out on education and friendship and people whose mental health went down the toilet. Not to mention the destruction of trust in politics and the police.

ancientgran · 04/06/2022 09:45

clarrylove · 04/06/2022 09:41

I couldn't care less. They were working together in a time of national crisis. Very stressful and long hours. Boris' place of work is also his home. If he had a drink with work colleagues so what? Would you also begrudge healthcare workers having a bevvy at the end of their shift or a birthday cake?

Could they invite their partner/husband/wife plus their interior designer?

MarshaBradyo · 04/06/2022 09:45

Charles11 · 04/06/2022 09:32

I'm not concerned about partygate itself but the hypocrisy and the rules themselves are what I'm angry about.
Even if Boris stuck to all the rules himself, we would still suffer the effects of lockdowns, school closures and isolation.
Labour always seemed to be keen for more lockdowns so I'm not sure we would have suffered any less as a society.
Some of this damage is hard to undo but everyone seemed to back lockdowns and no other viewpoint was allowed to be heard without scorn and derision.

I agree with you on this.

It’s the damage that is upsetting and I fear more

ItWorriesMeThisKindofThing · 04/06/2022 09:45

It would also help if the hypocrites apologised to the people they fined and prosecuted for doing the same thing (or far less).

BreakAwayTime · 04/06/2022 09:46

AppleandRhubarbTart · 04/06/2022 09:38

Read the room. Your unasked for cod psychological nonsense isn't having the effect you hoped. Maybe if you want people's anger kept away from you, the onus is on you not to wade into a thread that was obviously going to be full of it.

Also, at least look up when the last general election was.

Apologies. A typo. 2024. It’s still ages away.

Please stop insulting me. It’s rude and unnecessary.

pastaandpesto · 04/06/2022 09:47

Thank you to those posters who have so considerately expressed concern for the mental health of those of us who are still "frothing" in anger over this. You're right, anger is ugly and unsightly and never changes anything anyway.

Oh, wait.

To say that as the mother of teens who did stick to the rules and whose mental health suffered no I am not over partygate
AppleandRhubarbTart · 04/06/2022 09:48

BreakAwayTime · 04/06/2022 09:46

Apologies. A typo. 2024. It’s still ages away.

Please stop insulting me. It’s rude and unnecessary.

Nobody is insulting you. Please stop gaslighting posters. It's cruel and unnecessary.

hattie43 · 04/06/2022 09:48

Mental health mental health .

Is it co-incidence that permanently negative people seem to be overly suffering .

Arnaquer · 04/06/2022 09:51

I'm not over because we all deserve a far better person as PM.
Someone honest with integrity would be a good start.
The party gate demonstrates how much Boris thinks he is above us and above the rules.

ladygindiva · 04/06/2022 09:51

hattie43 · 04/06/2022 09:48

Mental health mental health .

Is it co-incidence that permanently negative people seem to be overly suffering .

I don't think that's true. My best friend lived alone and lost her mother to cancer during lock down. She's actually a very positive person but she was broken. And unable to reach out to friends and wider family. She still suffers. I think that your statement is untrue and cruel.

Inertia · 04/06/2022 09:51

If the Tories wanted the country to move on, Johnson and other cabinet members should have resigned as soon as it emerged that they broke the law.

He made the covid laws, he was on TV every night telling us what we couldn’t do. He broke his own laws, he lied to the public, he lied to Parliament, he allegedly pressured Sue Gray, he rewrote the ministerial code .

British people watched their loved ones die via iPads, couldn’t hug their loved ones at funerals, spent months alone in hospitals and care homes. NHS staff worked themselves into the ground- while Johnson and his staff decided that they- and only they- worked so hard they needed parties.

The level of hypocrisy, lies and sheer contempt the British public is expected to suck up is breathtaking.

Yes, there are lots of other alarming and horrific things going on - Johnson isn’t competent to deal with any of them either.

AppleandRhubarbTart · 04/06/2022 09:52

ItWorriesMeThisKindofThing · 04/06/2022 09:45

It would also help if the hypocrites apologised to the people they fined and prosecuted for doing the same thing (or far less).

Yes, I'm not sure some of the people on this thread understand that this is all still ongoing. There were people in our courts this week being fined over lockdown matters, in a specifically designed system with fewer safeguards. Tristan Kirk's Twitter has some harrowing examples.

mobile.twitter.com/kirkkorner

We can hardly move on when it's still part of our present.

ElenaSt · 04/06/2022 09:53

You didn't have to stick to the rules, you could have done your own research and decided what was best for you and your family.

Why do you think politicians weren't worried about catching anything that was allegedly contagious?

BreakAwayTime · 04/06/2022 09:53

ancientgran · 04/06/2022 09:44

It's still happening to her now if her child has MH issues and is getting no help.

Some people have no empathy.

CAMHS have always been terrible in providing support. Lack of support for teens with mental ill health is not new. I am sorry people continue to struggle with the consequences of lockdown. It is not a nice place to be. I have also experienced struggles and ill health over the last two years.

My point is still valid though. Harbouring or sustaining this level of anger is unhealthy and unhelpful. That is my opinion and letting it go is what has worked for me (among other things). I am allowed to voice it and have done so without personally attacking anyone.

ladygindiva · 04/06/2022 09:53

Inertia · 04/06/2022 09:51

If the Tories wanted the country to move on, Johnson and other cabinet members should have resigned as soon as it emerged that they broke the law.

He made the covid laws, he was on TV every night telling us what we couldn’t do. He broke his own laws, he lied to the public, he lied to Parliament, he allegedly pressured Sue Gray, he rewrote the ministerial code .

British people watched their loved ones die via iPads, couldn’t hug their loved ones at funerals, spent months alone in hospitals and care homes. NHS staff worked themselves into the ground- while Johnson and his staff decided that they- and only they- worked so hard they needed parties.

The level of hypocrisy, lies and sheer contempt the British public is expected to suck up is breathtaking.

Yes, there are lots of other alarming and horrific things going on - Johnson isn’t competent to deal with any of them either.

I agree with all of this. Yanbu op.

Blossomtoes · 04/06/2022 09:55

hattie43 · 04/06/2022 09:48

Mental health mental health .

Is it co-incidence that permanently negative people seem to be overly suffering .

That’s just plain fucking nasty. Shame on you.

BreakAwayTime · 04/06/2022 09:55

Nobody is insulting you. Please stop gaslighting posters. It's cruel and unnecessary.

My post was aimed at you, hence the quote. If anyone is gaslighting it’s you. Leave me alone.

balalake · 04/06/2022 09:55

OP, the one thing I hope all of the teenagers do come 2024 is turn out to vote and express their opinion. If young people voted in as much a proportion as older people, there would have been no Brexit, and probably no Boris Johnson as Prime Minister.

Like you I will still refer to so-called 'party gate' and don't want to move on and forget about it. The two funerals I could have attended were it not for Covid 19 restrictions, both for people known to me for over 40 years, is enough reason for me.

I have opposed the death penalty all my life. If I believed in the death penalty, I would be happy to see Mr Johnson hang.

lassof · 04/06/2022 09:56

Actually, having thought about it, I am still hugely pissed off.
I am angry with every single person who encouraged the last two years of lockdowns and school closures and hospital closures (still got rules about visitors now!) and everything else.
I've been angry about it since March 2020 and I am still pissed off with you all. It is the fault of the great majority of people in this country. Boris only gave you what you wanted. He never believed in it, that was clear from the very beginning. It was clear that only people who were not following rules could continue to enforce them for so long on others. There were plenty of reports of rule breaking that did make it to the press at the time/shortly afterwards
Anyone angry at Boris, - my cod-psychology take on it is that you are just angry with yourselves
They laughed at us. We deserved to be laughed at.

Arnaquer · 04/06/2022 09:56

ElenaSt · 04/06/2022 09:53

You didn't have to stick to the rules, you could have done your own research and decided what was best for you and your family.

Why do you think politicians weren't worried about catching anything that was allegedly contagious?

Totally missing the point.

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