To say that as the mother of teens who did stick to the rules and whose mental health suffered no I am not over partygate

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I’m steaming angry actually and will be for some time. Particularly given how dire mental health support is for teens and those pushed into nothing at 18.

Getting sick and tired of hearing how tedious partygate is from those that want it to go away. Some of us are still living with it and reliant on services that are overwhelmed with a massive increase in those needing them post lockdown. Teens and kids who would have loved to have get togethers, parties and sit exams but who followed the rules and stayed at home damaging their mental health instead.😡

Leave the posters who are suffering alone.

You basically calm down deared to an OP who has told you her family have suffered so much they need professional help that isn't forthcoming. Shame on you.

You didn't have to stick to the rules, you could have done your own research and decided what was best for you and your family.

These were laws, not rules. They broke the law. Are you suggesting that I can do my own research, decide that it's best for me and my family to break the law and that's ok? I'm off to nick the weekly shop if so.

Not my experience. The glass half full people I know seem to have come out of it much the same as they went in. One or two seem to actually have benefitted. On the other hand one or two very upbeat happy people are now in a dark place.

Doesn't prove anything though, we'd need a much bigger study than people you know and people I know before we could make a real judgement.

Getting angry and stoking that anger on a daily basis does nothing to mitigate the situation or help those around you
You need to calm down as your anger is affecting your health and that of your family, in more ways than one and isn't resolving anything.

Come and say that to the face of my beautiful, precious, sunny 11 year old daughter who suffered a complete collapse of her mental health in 2021 and who was told helplessly by a kindly GP that there was literally no point in referring her to CAHMS unless she was actively suicidal.

Some of the things people are angry about missing, including one of the things in the OP, are not things that people could take into their own hands. OP mentions exams. Affected teens had no choice on that one other than suck it up.

Take your patronising “Calm down” and - well, you can supply the rest. Shame on you too.

Yes, not only is this approach vile but it also isn't very bright. This is an elected politician who absolutely can be affected by our anger.

CAMHS is struggling much more than in the past, it is a fact. Are you seriously saying a parent with a child who has ongoing issues should just forget what this govt did?

Letting it go might have worked for you, you do realise it won't work for everyone? Do tell people with children who have MH issues should just "let it go" when they are faced with it day after day? This might be in the past for you so well done you but it isn't in the past for everyone.

I don’t think Boris should be toppled because he lied. Everyone who voted for him knew his character. Everyone knew about his many kids scattered everywhere - he wouldn’t say how many. Everyone knew the brexit bus lies.

I don’t care if he drank wine at work. We lost two family members - one whose funeral I couldn’t attend (died at start of 1st lockdown). Had a third family member in ICU at deaths door and couldn’t visit. Him having some wine made shit all difference.

we were locked down as we had no vaccine, a vicious strain and people were dying in their thousands. Just like most of the world. It’s really not a Johnson thing.

I didn’t vote for him btw. I just think that complaining about him drinking is a red herring and will actively hamper the recovery of you and your teens. I have teens also.

I think those who didn’t want it are right to be angry in the way you say. People opposed were ridiculed and driven off

re choices from pp - dc didn’t have the choice that’s the point, their lives were curtailed without thought, what was essential to them was closed

I will never be over it but we are letting Johnson and his ilk live rent free in our heads.if we truly care about our kids for God's sake do not vote Tory

I’m not over partygate and never will be and my mental health is just fine. I believe that the people who govern us should abide by the law and tell the truth. They should be the very best of us not the worst! I think the present government are doing their best to destroy this country and have no respect for its citizens. I think by allowing Boris Johnson to continue in his job the conservatives are undermining the law and the very fabric of our society.

Sorry am a parent of teens and young adults who struggled and still are to an extent so am not diminishing what any parents or children have gone through or continue to suffer.ita not just partygate this government do NOT care about anyone or anything except money

Anger can bring about change. Can you imagine the Pankhursts’ reaction if they’d been told to “Calm down”?

Can you link me to research on this please? I’m interested in learning more but couldn’t find any peer reviewed papers confirming this

We did need lockdowns - with no vaccines health services would have been overwhelmed - fact

Yes, I tried my absolute best for my kids to normalise things. We came through it okay, honestly I think showing them that the rules were shit and could be broken was helpful for their mental health.
But there's only so much you can do. School closures, for example, were a thing I couldn't influence. Thanks everyone for that! That's a public majority pressure - so most people around me can have the responsibility for that, not Boris.
But no online education? No interaction with the kids? That's a head teacher/school/teacher responsibility... not Boris'.
Most people in this country should hang their heads in shame. Blaming a civil service birthday cake cutting party is deflection. We wanted society closed down. That's what we got.

This isn't just about Johnson people wake up!this is the Tories

Not if your family member was in a care home or in hospital you couldn’t. That’s what sticks in my throat. The rules took that choice from many people. Not having a party is not life and death. For many people it was and they could do nothing about it.
Stop pretending that people are only angry because they couldn’t have a party. That’s minimising peoples’ suffering and you know it.

I can’t understand how some people are over it. I’m certainly not. He sat there at 5 pm telling the nation to only leave the house once a day for exercise. Don’t see your family etc etc. Then off he trots for a piss up! Disgusting!

My teenager suffered significantly. No exams to sit, no prom, don’t see your friends etc. so much so she is on medication and under a psychiatrist. She felt so bad at one point, I found her suicide notes. Get over it, I don’t think so!!

I have also missed out on the last 2 years of my mam’s life. She has been held prisoner in a care home - a tad dramatic? No! We weren’t allowed to see her for months on end. We could have video called but not much good to someone with Alzheimer’s. I had been taking her out for coffee and cake etc, but no! Now I can, she is actually bed bound, can do nothing for herself, can’t even turn over in bed herself. But I should just be over it?! I don’t think so. Those lying, greedy bastards can all rot in hell!!

And if that's your belief, I don't see why a few people having a garden party would matter either way.
As long as lockdown is followed by the great majority of people, it will have the desired effect. It's never necessary for 100% of people to follow it for it to reduce spread, particularly if those people have already had the version of covid that was in circulation at the time. We were even told that by the guy who broke lockdown to shag his lover... whoever that was. He knew the risk of a second infection with the same strain was miniscule.
Risk assessment - they chose to personalise it but decided we were too thick to do that. Nothing to say they were wrong, there

I'm not over it. Could someone who is more tech/twitter savvy than me start some kind of #I'mNotOverIt type campaign? It will be Mumsnet that brings him down in the end - I hope so.

Exactly this. If the shrugging of shoulders and cries of live in the moment had overruled the majority we wouldn’t have progressed at all over the last few centuries - we’d still be sending children down the mines, women wouldn’t have vote, slavery would be legal and women would still be the property of their husbands. Thank god for anger and the resultant will to bring upon change.

You could see the public pressure on here

if you didn’t want it or thought the damage great, not much you could do