Part 3 AIBU to wonder why so many people assume Johnny Depp is the good guy and Amber Heard is the villain

[StormzyinaTCup]

Following on from parts 1 and 2
Trial has gone 'dark' this week as the Judge is at a conference so it's going to be quiet on that front and I expect this thread will run slower than the previous two, however, there is still plenty of material and evidence from the last three weeks that we can 'cross examine'.

Any and all opinions welcome.

How did you manage that @QuotetheLaw and @mummyrocks1?😁

Checking in. Prob won’t find you again til 16.05 so please tag me if you start a new one !

Will do @ENoeuf and if you are doing something nice in the interim, enjoy.

I don't know . I didn't think it would post haha

Could you link to the previous threads? I don't think I've read thread 2 yet

@Muezza

www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4540681-part-2-aibu-to-wonder-why-so-many-people-assume-johnny-depp-is-the-good-guy-and-amber-heard-is-the-villain

Here are a couple links to documents for people trying to track a piece of evidence down

deppdive.net/index.html
Index of documents at deppdive.net/docs.html

All the evidence exhibits for the US trial
ffxtrail.azurewebsites.net/

@StormzyinaTCup thank you!
here’s my gift to the thread
www.fairfaxcounty.gov/circuit/high-profile-cases

Briefly looking at some of those documents, it seems that Melanie Inglessis was absolutely desperate to not have to be a witness in the UK trial. She did and her testimony was in Amber's favour.

Throughout the document there is various reasons given but included is that she would be put in danger and her professional career harmed. This seems rather concerning doesn't it?

@StormzyinaTCup - thanks for new thread

Well I haven't seen this bit of evidence before . That is pretty compelling. There are now a few pieces of concrete evidence to two times JD physically abused AH.

I have seen this/read it elsewhere and it is very compelling isn't it.

"He's a lost little boy", Amber already stating its happened before. I see people excusing any physically threatening reactions as a result of him being abused. I bet they wouldn't say the same for Amber if it was Depp carrying out abuse and her later reacting. Not that either is OK. That said, given she admits to hitting him in tapes I believe were recorded with consent for therapy purposes, I can't help but feel that this is an indicator that she didn't think this was a huge deal and possibly that was because she experienced considerably more violence than what she put out.

I'm curious to know what the 2nd text that Stephen told Depp was the wrong text to send.

How can you see that? On my laptop screen it opens as a small image and is blurred. I can't make out anything!

I can’t read the second one, the first is complicated as he denied and then gave an explanation. The assistant says he never saw the kick it was what Amber told him and that Depp had told him to agree with her. It was all a bit shady

"The Claimant and Ms Heard were
seated at the central table in the cabin. As the Claimant drew sketches in his
notebook, Ms Heard began to harangue him. This quickly progressed to the
continuous verbal barrage on her part, with which the Claimant did not
engage but continued sketching. Ms Heard stood up. In the hope of calming
her, the Claimant stretched his leg out to playfully tap her on the bottom
with his foot, but did not reach her. Ms Heard took great offence at this
harmless act, and continued to verbally berate the Claimant. It is denied that
the Claimant slapped Ms Heard in the face or at all. Eventually, Stephen
Deuters and Jerry Judge intervened to calm Ms Heard down, and the flight
continued to LA without incident. The Claimant took himself to the plane’s
bathroom, locked the door and slept on the floor with a pillow.I believe that Stephen Deuter's did see the kick, with it being said that he saw her standing and that he saw said Depp raise his leg to attempt to "playfully" kick Heard on the bottom with his shoe. He also then stayes in Court that he didn't think that Depp's foot actually connected with Amber."

But it certainly doesn't look like that from the text messages at the time regardless of the "trying to mollify" statement and the UK Judge thought thos was a load of rubbish. He also yhoight it was a load of rubbish that Depp "decided" to sleep on the floor of the toilet bug that was a result of his consumption of drugs and alcohol (which also meant he was unable to get off the plane when it landed).

It is very compelling evidence and puts a big question mark over the honesty of some of thd witnesses in my opinion.

If you goggle along the lines of Heard Depp kick text then they come up readable. The little one is hard to read!

I don’t think they got the texts allowed into testimony, they tried when amber was testifying about the plane. I don’t know reasons or if they will be able to further on. But I’m not certain on that.

21 minutes in Depps team manage to shut down all testimonies surrounding Stephen

Wow. They did a good job as that is pretty damning for JD. I don't see why she would need to lie about being kicked all the way back then. That is undeniable evidence right there. Wonder how they got it shut down.

It wasn’t just stephens, Rockys statement was redacted to just Amber words. Other objections were upheld. The plane incident for the jury ended with his word’s against her. Unless Stephen has made video testimonies I don’t think he’s appearing as I think he’s active on SM and his wife was the witness who viewed SM. If Depp was successful in his objection to Whitney then Amber has lost significant evidence she used in the UK trial.

Mmm. Sounds like she will loose out on showing a fair bit of evidence to support her side then. You would think Nathan would be an absolute key witness. That text does not look like hearsay. He states about the kick not her.

Makes you think JD has a lot to hide if the lawyers need to work so hard to get key witnesses dismissed. I am starting to believe much more about what she has said. But still think he could not have done the more extreme, systemic abuse she is claiming as she has limited physical evidence.

Is JD saying all the photos of bruises are make up or doctored photos?

Sorry Stephan. I read a text from JD talking about him not being loyal and untrustworthy and that he has betrayed him. I wonder if that is because he started to stick up for AH and was the only one to acknowledge what was happening when others around him ignored it.

TBH on the video it seemed it was Elaine working hard to get the testimony in. Whatever the reason for the objection to Stephen they seemed to have a clear case to object. If Whitney is dismissed it’s because she didn’t complete her deposition with Depps lawyers.

the photos was linked in the previous thread

www.fairfaxcounty.gov/circuit/sites/circuit/files/assets/documents/pdf/high-profile/depp%20v%20heard/cl-2019-2911-plaintiff-mot-sanctions-3-22-2022.pdf

A week's hiatus has come at a good time for Depp's team to be well and truly prepared for the pending cross-examination of Heard. It's not good news for Heard if Deuters' testimony has been struck. That was one of the few eyewitness accounts of one of these two people actually striking the other.

Still, in the meantime until the court reconvenes there's always the Wagatha Christie libel case ...

I'll get me coat.

There's still messages direct from Depp where it's clear he's apologising for being out of control.

The texts certainly were damning and Depp's lawyers have clearly worked hard to ensure they aren't included in the case but I'd still say that Depp's words are also damning.

The more I flick through the evidence, the more I think Heard genuinely tried to help Depp. I started off this trial feeling pretty anti both them but my sympathy for her has built up over time. Especially when I think how young she was.