Part 3 AIBU to wonder why so many people assume Johnny Depp is the good guy and Amber Heard is the villain

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Following on from parts 1 and 2
Trial has gone 'dark' this week as the Judge is at a conference so it's going to be quiet on that front and I expect this thread will run slower than the previous two, however, there is still plenty of material and evidence from the last three weeks that we can 'cross examine'.

Any and all opinions welcome.

Listen to the recordings, when you hear tone and how each are talking, it gives you a very different sense.

She wasn't that young. She is 36 now.

I’m on bed rest for 24 hours hence the boredom to randomly search.
What I was shocked about was that amber didn’t seem to have ownership of her own texts in regards to Stephen. With Rocky they redacted her texts but left Ambers. I’m wondering if there was problems with entering information into discovery of more than just the photos for verification (that’s just speculation). Amber was told to not even mention the text messages. Unfortunately for Amber he admits to his substance abuse being out of control, not really the violence.

@Laaaaslalala

Are you helping out her PR team with your I was neutral but the evidence swung me to Amber? Tyring ot make it seem like the evidence supports what she has said? You have posted dozens of times and every single one is anti-Depp and pro-Amber. You have never posted a neutral position at all. The evidence didn't sway you at all. It just confirmed what you already believed and have been posting about all along.

I don't really think he was violent. In one of the recordings where she is arguing that he shouldn't walk away when they fight, he says but you get physical and throw pots and pans and that is when I walk away. She tells him not to change the subject, that they aren't talking about what she does but what he does - and what he does is leave during the fight. He tells her the two are connected because he leaves because she gets physically violent and she agrees she does but emphasizes that isn't the point. He then says he has never thrown anything at her other than a can one time when she was doing ... (I don't remember what he said she was doing). And she agrees with him but goes back to her point that it isn't about that - it is about him walking away and 'splitting' and leaving the house instead of staying to fight.

She doesn't say but you get violent back or you throw thing too or you make it physical too. She agrees that those are on her but his bad thing is not staying until the fight is over so it can be resolved.

Honestly, can you hear yourself.

I was neutral in that I believe that both of them were victims and abusers. That is clear from all my posts. I do object to the distinct pro-Depp stuff here and in the social media and the crap like people dissecting what she wears as that's just age old misogyny. Pro-Depp/misogyny is everywhere at the moment and I'm not the only one to point this out.

The UK Court foundation that 12 out of 14 incidents did happen so pro-Depp people seek to suggest that the Judge was biased and didn't perform his role properly. Appalling. Apparently anyone who isn't agreeing that Heard was not assaulted is to have their reputation knocked down.

Then there was the insinuations that Depp's request for an appeal was refused by the original judge which I pointed out that this was inaccurate (and easily checked on the Internet). The judgement handed down by the two further Judges quite clearly refutes the arguments being thrown around by people who want to suggest that that judgement should be ignored.

I've been looking at the evidence, it's clear that Heard did try to help him with his problems from his own words and that she probably did love him, wasn't the gold digging w#%&e that people seem to want to make out. I feel sympathy for her. Is that really so objectionable to you?

@Laaaaslalala
I agree with what you are saying about Depp but not about Heard. I see her as an opportunist who used the toxic relationship to further her career. I don’t see her as she put it “a public face of domestic violence”. I see her as a liar and I don’t believe the judge was correct on all counts - because I don’t believe her. I dislike the hero worship of Depp but that is partly due to her credibility and that she Painted herself a victim to Depps monster.
I don’t think Depp will win the trial but he’ll feel like he won, I can’t see her with a career after this and domestic violence victims on a world stage have been let down.

Aw. I do actually think he genuinely loved him. You can hear the desperation in her voice on the tapes when he wants to leave and later break up with her. I think she got herself in too deep in a situation she couldn't handle. She didn't know how to deal with him. Coupled with both their insecurities, his jealously , both scarred from childhood abuse, his drugs and drink it lead to a seriously toxic relationship.

I do believe her when she says she loved him and wanted to help him but found herself in a situation out of control and with someone she couldn't cope with.

I don't think people are assuming she's awful, I think people are watching the testimony and finding her non-credible. She presents as hugely disingenuous and inauthentic.

Because she is beautiful

I think both their careers are pretty much over.

I don't think she got with him to further her career although there's no doubt it probably did. When I look at the evidence I genuinely think she loved him and vice versa.

Whilst I do think Heard has let down people who have, and will be in the future victims of domestic abuse, I actually think that the reactions on social media, comments about her clothing, sexual partners, people saying he's a southern gentlemen when he's clearly not always that and all the rest has now gone way beyond the damage that Heard has done for victims. I knew about the case before all this, thought they were probably both vile people but didn't think much else of it. It's all the social media or inaccurate tik toks I.e where its suggested shes stating lines out of films that has got to me. Its well beyond people having an opinion. There's one person I saw insisting that Heard could not have been assaulted with a vodka bottle as due to the size and shape of a bottle there is no way she would not have required hospitalisation. When I asked if they actually knew the size, shape, make of bottle or what end was allegedly used they confirmed they did not.

The more I look at this, the more I think that they both need help. I'm sick of Heard being made out to be the devil when it's clear she's not, she tried to help him and she did love him. She's done wrong, he's done wrong. Now they are both doing wrong to other victims of abuse through the media.

For me the problem is the ante been upped, either one committed a gross sexual assault or one of them has lied/exaggerated a gross sexual assault. There no 50/50 or there as bad as each other. It puts all the other stuff in the shade, regardless of how much they loved or wanted to help each other.

Yes, on this point at least there is no ambiguity, no six of one and half-a-dozen of the other. Someone is definitely lying.

Whoever this is, they're guilty of monstrous behaviour. Anyone who can lie about or exaggerate a thing like that is twisted beyond belief, and should be judged as having grievously, gratuitously and maliciously harmed someone psychologically and reputationally. In addition, it makes them an active danger to women who already fear coming forward to report this kind of thing. Society is already more comfortable with the idea of women as liars than as victims. Indirectly, lying about such an event causes untold harm to them too.

As for the person who could actually commit such an act, I have no words.

Yes the bottle incident for me is so serious and shocking, like PP said there can be no ambiguity like there is with their perception of their fights and accidental injury. Either he has done this or she is lying which means one of them is a disgusting, sick and twisted individual.

Now I have read the reasoning of the judge's decision in the UK trial and all the evidence there is no doubt in my mind JD was very abusive. That he had blackouts and didn't know what he was doing. He was on drink/drugs and so had memory laspes.

The initial notes seemed to just discount all JDs witnesses and say they are unreliable and believe all AH said and her friends testimonies. But at the end of the document the texts and photos speak for themselves. Plus there is lots of evidence that JDs lawyer manipulated and intimidated witnesses, tried to tamper with evidence and has been behind a smear campaign against AH.

Plus- JDs lawyer says himself AH would have to be gone girl to have set JD up in the way he is saying and that the evidence is plentiful.

I think that probably swayed his decision greatly.

BUT I also think she was abusive too and the whole relationship was toxic. They should never have been together. She certainly baited him (not saying she deserved it) and did not handle him to keep herself safe. The problem is she initially tried to make it seem one sided and like she was an angle and linked herself to the Metoo campaign.

I am not sure I believe the level of aggression she is claiming though . I think some/all is exaggerated. I always thought it would be pretty staggering for her to outright lie about all this in a court.

Yes- the other problem with her. There are no tears. She doesn't come across as a genuine person. She has lied.

But at the end of the document the texts and photos speak for themselves.

Do they? Is there a link to the photos? Because the ones I remember seeing during the UK trial really don't. They aren't consistent with the level of physical abuse she's reporting at all.

For some reason they don't seem to have shown the worse ones. I thought that too. Where is the bruise? But on the actual judge's ruling notes the photos are much worse. It's 198 pages though. But they are at the end.

I’m waiting to see ambers witnesses, she has lost some of the testimony already that helped in the first trial. I’ve seen no photo that has shocked me.

I think they are probably 2 people who badly, badly need help.

My issue is that she openly admits hitting etc on tapes, that she knows is being recorded. To me that suggests that she sees these as minor incidents throughout all of the violence.

I agree that positioning herself as a voice for domestic abuse was pretty tasteless.

Ultimately, I think the majority of the public has proved Heard right in what she said not shown it to be false. Take for example the fact that we agree she shouldn't have positioned herself as an ambassador for DV even though she clearly did go through some nasty stuff - meanwhile there are Depp fans who feel he should absolutely be accused from any of his behaviour.

I really do fear that Heard will be tipped over the edge in terms of the hate being directed at her. It's absolutely imploded.

No tears? - burn the witch!

That he had blackouts and didn't know what he was doing. He was on drink/drugs and so had memory laspes.

The problem is, that is the narrative given by her and her legal team but the photographic evidence to back this up is a selection of photos of him asleep!! That doesn’t add up for me.

I’ll add asleep or ‘passed out’ to my comment above.

The drunk/high to the point he blacks out, doesn’t sit well with me either as he still seemed to have the cognitive ability to ensure there was no swelling, no lasting damage, no injuries requiring medical treatment. The uk judge didn’t believe she bites and picked at her lips - she doesn’t stop. I fear for her safety as well.

There is one photo in the trial exhibits that stands out as quite severe. Plus the weird writing on mirrors etc is a bit odd - think that’s indicative of quite scary behaviour. I think the hair /scalp one looks painful.

You need to read the documents from the judge in the Uk trial. There are many photos and texts and doctor notes all collaborating her series of events. There are also places where he admits to have lied about his use of drugs/drink on these occasions backed up by texts from multiple people. He lied about remembering the situation clearly and if he has blackouts.

I do think she has exaggerated many of the physical abusive and find it extraordinary that she seeked very limited medical help and no one saw the bruises. But actually I think those who may have are too scared to speak out because they are either paid by JD or worried about his influence and power. They have been intimidated by JD lawyers.