Part 3 AIBU to wonder why so many people assume Johnny Depp is the good guy and Amber Heard is the villain

[StormzyinaTCup]

Following on from parts 1 and 2
Trial has gone 'dark' this week as the Judge is at a conference so it's going to be quiet on that front and I expect this thread will run slower than the previous two, however, there is still plenty of material and evidence from the last three weeks that we can 'cross examine'.

Any and all opinions welcome.

Then don't use SM crap to back up your points. Use evidence.

Not all DV are the same though. I am sorry for your experience but just because AHs wasn't the same doesn't mean it didn't happen.

@Midlifemusings thank you!

No, I don't think she was/is 100% truthful. She seems troubled and probably not very nice. But I don't believe she was ever in a position to be the abuser. And I don't think the essence of what she's saying is lie, although it may be exaggerated. I believe her photos, witnesses and what I see of JD's character and position.

Post 980 - second link to new thread in case I can't find you all again

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/amiibeingunreasonable/4554620-part-4-aibu-to-keep-this-discussion-on-amber-and-jonny-going

I Agree. She doesn't come across as a victim to me, and just because she's a woman, does not mean she cannot be an abuser.

@mummyrocks1

In the testimony by the nurse (Erin), her notes in her history section indicate that Amber reported a past cocaine addiction and a few notes also spoke to other incidents of cocaine use. She used a number of other illcit drugs as well that she reported to the nurse. She drank excessively - whether or not she was dependent on alcohol I don't know.

She drunk and took drugs yes. But being a addict is a totally different thing.

From your last post it seems we have the same overall viewpoint.

@Aspiringmatriarch

I am curious as to why you belive her witnesses when there is proof they have previously lied on the stand to defend her. And you believe her photos when we have proof that they have been altered and misrepresented (at least two of them where she uses the same picture with different filters but states it is two different pictures)?

It is always interesting to me when people believe something when there is clear proof that it isn't true. Some aspects of this case are he said she said but there are other things that we have proof for and when that is ignored (on either side) because it doesn't fit the perspective...I don't get that.

Since generally men are always physically stronger - do you believe a woman can ever have enough power to be abusive? What would give her that power over a man?

"She drunk and took drugs yes. But being a addict is a totally different thing."

When! Before JD, during or after?? Jd has been very transparent. She hasn't. Perhaps you'll answer for her?

You clicked on my link yet. The link from some that does know?

Someone* I type fast and this app doesn't keep up since the upgrade

@mummyrocks1 According to JDs testimony, rather than struggling with his addiction problems, she actively encouraged them, doing things like leaving him a large glass of whiskey out every evening and withholding detox medication. I know we only have his word to go on, but considering JD has been honest about his substance misuse and she hasn't, I'm not convinced his addiction problems affected her in the way she has made out during this trial.

For my 2p worth.

I think she has definitely underplayed her drug taking. All she's admitted to, when giving testimony, was a bit of weed and mushrooms.
I mean, none of us were born yesterday, we know that's not true.

A lot of actors and actresses underplay thier drug use.

It would be surreal to hear them say "oh yeah, we had a great time, went for dinner, did a few lines and twerked the night away to Beyonce songs".

I'd be interested to know if her behaviour changes whilst under the influence of either drink, drugs, prescription meds or a combo of these.

Also @ENoeuf thanks for the new thread

Cricky really? What about the texts, emails and medical notes as well as the testimonies of those on AH side and his own who detail what he was like when on a bender. The audiotapes , the videos and his own texts which reference the monster and that he is clear again. They reference some of the things he did. The photos. It's clear that when he was drunk or high he on certain substances he could be a scary individual. Many of the testimonies, texts and emails show what a generally aggressive person he could be when under the influence.

@StormzyinaTCup I couldn't see you'd done it and didn't want to lose everyone - I do that with the BGT threads and never post again!

She poured him a whisky and did take drugs and alcohol with him. She certainly didn't seem to help him to be sober no. However, even if she had I am not sure it would have much of an influence on him staying sober anyway. He seemed in a constant cycle of trying to stay sober and then falling off the wagon. One said he admitted it was too hard to stay sober and he didn't want to. It's sad. He was a very gifted actor who seems to have ruined his life.

She states with the detox she was sticking to the rota of when he was meant to take his medicine in the withdrawal process. I can believe that.

She's a narc. He's was a meal ticket and a launch to further her career. And it almost worked.

Except, his isn't having it

He has been drinking and using drugs since he was 11. His brain developed around substance use and his brain chemistry is likely very altered by an almost life long supply of brain altering substances. I am sure many of his receptors no longer function normally. It is almost like a brain injury at this point. He can stay away from the behavioural action of drinking but we don't know what his brain function is like when he abstains. He is almost 60. His brain doesn't have the flexibility to rebound as it might have when he was younger.

I am curious as to why you belive her witnesses when there is proof they have previously lied on the stand to defend her.

Can you be more specific? I genuinely haven't come across any outright lies but maybe I missed something? Which witnesses, what lies?

She states with the detox she was sticking to the rota of when he was meant to take his medicine in the withdrawal process. I can believe that.

I believe that too, and I can also believe that Johnny genuinely felt she was being incredibly cruel (as he has said on the stand). She should never have been put in that position. There are texts to his nurse where she says he's being aggressive and has pushed her and they basically say good luck with that.

Almost exact same scenario as my DH mid (except he doesn't have DJ money or fame 😂) I know a man like this. I live with a man like this. It's her. Not him.

I watched the lifes too short clip on YouTube of JD.

The fruit bowl in particular made me laugh

Could you post a link to the new thread please?

www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4554620-part-4-aibu-to-keep-this-discussion-on-amber-and-jonny-going?reply=117404522

This is the new thread @RosieRooster83

I believe that too, and I can also believe that Johnny genuinely felt she was being incredibly cruel (as he has said on the stand). She should never have been put in that position. There are texts to his nurse where she says he's being aggressive and has pushed her and they basically say good luck with that.

In the U.K. judge ruling, JD claims he did not want AH to go with him to his island whilst he detoxed but wanted his assistant instead. However, AH insisted on going.