Part 3 AIBU to wonder why so many people assume Johnny Depp is the good guy and Amber Heard is the villain

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Following on from parts 1 and 2
Trial has gone 'dark' this week as the Judge is at a conference so it's going to be quiet on that front and I expect this thread will run slower than the previous two, however, there is still plenty of material and evidence from the last three weeks that we can 'cross examine'.

Any and all opinions welcome.

What has hit home is that civil courts are rich peoples play things, out of reach for the average person and stacked against those who take on wealthier people. In Depps sanctions motion the third party court appointed conciliator bill was $40,000 alone. It’s also seem clear that perjury is not something that people worry about and whichever side of this case you are swaying on the belief that the other side is being bribed or loyal so are lying shows the lack of faith most of has in those swearing under oath.

I'm partway through reading the judgment from the UK case and am astounded at the Judges reasoning on some of the matters. He seems to have reached conclusions based on opinion rather than actual facts.

For example, he reached the conclusion that Amber did not inflict the scratches on her own arm as she has no history of self harm. Yet he concluded that Johnny likely chopped his own finger off and put the cigarette out on his own face despite him also having no history of self harm.

The Judge dismissed the evidence of Amber admitting to hitting Johnny as basically irrelevant because it was not said under oath and could therefore not be relied upon. Yet the judge relied on other audio recordings to back up his agenda.

He literally dismissed most of Johnny's evidence and accepted all of Ambers, even down to her not having deliberately lied to homeland security about the dogs.

The judge also equated drug and alcohol use to being automatically physically violent.

Something doesn't sit right with me about that judgment.

Yes. It seems that way. But the photos and texts speak for themselves I think. Plus the audios. It's irrelevant if she abused him. The case isn't about that.

But I think many of JD witnesses were seen as unreliable as they changed their stories - although so did AH. He thinks they were influenced and manipulated by the lawyer and JD admitted he didn't even read his whole statement. The lawyers drafted it.

I think he concluded that in his blackouts and memory laspes, it's probable he was violent. Along with the drugs etc.

It does seem he was rather biased. But I think he thought unless AH was gone girl it was clear he was abusive. Plus the manipulation of JDs lawyer made all those witnesses unreliable in his eyes.To the extent she says? I am not sure.

Amber has lost most of her evidence because its all hearsay. Amber told me this, Amber told me that.
Even her forensic psychotherapist examined medical records which are from therapists who get their info from Amber. She has nothing but her own lies.

I was watching a video and I do think the week break is bad for Amber as there was a few contradictions in her testimony. That Depps team can spend time on. She explained how she slapped him then later discussed the stairs incident when she claimed that incident was the first time she made contact. There was another when Depp threw her across a room and she landed on top of the pool table whilst still holding onto Depp and him landing on top of her. A bottle I can’t remember the details. It’s the over explanation that is just not needed especially if she is telling the truth. The photo that ambers team wasn’t allowed to show is the split lip. Which again the uk judge ruled out the possibility that she bites and picks her lips. It also showed Ben and Depps excitement at the bee sting story as if they had caught a lie.

Some of the comments about JDs team doctoring evidence etc. You need to look at AHs team.
Please research the case on both sides.
This is a report from a forensic examiner who has 41 years experience. JD was granted a motion to be able to analyse her photographs. Very interesting...

It's likely that AH photos/texts will either a) be disregarded from evidence at the end of the trial or b) the judge will instruct the jury after closing statements that none of the photos and texts could be verified due to her legal team not providing the metadata for analysis and that they need to take this into consideration when they start their deliberations.

That was not a requirement or a consideration the judge felt relevant in the U.K. trial.

If I was on the jury the obvious question would be 'if you/your client are so sure of their evidence why would you not provide the information that was requested under court order to back this up'?

It doesn't help her case one tiny bit when you think she is countersuing him for $100m because JD stated in an article in GQ magazine that she was a hoax and she set him up for financial gain.

Its not about the money for him but $100m 😮😮

It seems to be a common phrase that keeps coming up in this case 'where is the evidence?'.

There was forensic on the photographs in the uk trial that had a few editing issues but not in the depth that mr Neumeister has recorded. It’s the same firm that the Sun and Amber are using but different people representing from the firm.

The whole thing about her being rehearsed-you bet she did. It’s expensive to sit there and talk and judge who’s very aware of that was a bit annoyed with Depp making jokes and trying to play Don Juan, so much that she reminded him at one point(as she did many of his witnesses tho no one seems to be bothered to look back on that)to just answer the lawyer’s questions. Also not many seem to mention how snarky and disrespectful Depp’s team is acting, they’re acting like they basically bought the court. They came off a lot more disrespectful than Ambers team(tho they had few lapses too of course). I know it’s the jury who decides but if judge noticed it so must have they too, I would take it into account for general profiling of Depp. He’s been acting self righteous and over the top most of the trial, really repulsive. Even if he’s trying to convince us he is innocent he clearly had no shame about putting on jokester attitude about very serious issues like rape and DV.

Also who else is getting pissed off by Law&Crime YouTube channel? They are absolutely biased and starting to annoy sh out of me with their”objective insights”. If anyone could recommend another channel to follow trial live with some commentary I’d be grateful

AH officially been removed from Aquaman 2. Warner Brothers want to salvage the movie they said. Disney have apparently boycotted her too as she threatened them over the disclosure of documents for the case.

I only see articles saying she’ll have about 10mins screentime in next movie, where did you read that? Not sure which is more embarrassing, I’m not an actress but if someone called me for any job for something small like that I’d feel they are feeling pity for me

It’s in the realms of absurdity now, SM is providing more evidence than the lawyers.

Agree @Boulshired .

They have just spent the first hour correcting her testimony from last week trying to get ahead of cross examination. No coaching or viewing of social media has happened over the last week, oh no definitely not😁

I expect she will be asked this on cross.

They seem to be wasting so much of their time with little substance and no supporting evidence.

It's very odd.
Elaine is losing her💩

Yes which is the best channel to watch on please? Does it start again at 9pm BST?

I just go to you tube and pick any of the live feeds, it’s on now

Elaine is losing it.

Caught the end. More photos. Metadata conversation. Lots of detail from AH - hope she recalls it all!

Structural misogyny.

The metadata made me laugh when Elaine was asking Amber to explain what it meant. That’s what your experts for. Positive for amber was she was much better on the stand today in my opinion. Surely with the make up would need the green on the red skin, not on top of the foundation.

The issue she has is almost everything she is relying on is either hearsay or evidence provided by herself (picture she took of herself where the metadata cannot be evidenced).

She also has the issue that as a high profile person there are publicly available images of her the same day or the day after alleged incidents where she has no visible signs of injury. There are loads of photos from the Russia trip, the honeymoon and the trip to Australia. They were being trailed by paps constantly. Why isn’t there a single paparazzi shot of her with a bruise or swelling- make up can hide much but not the level of injury she is telling us about on the stand.

And in the tapes she very clearly says that he doesn’t hit her and admits to hitting him. Nowhere in hours and hours of tapes does she mention him being violent to her.

So excruciating to have your conversations played like this. Thank god ex dh and I are not famous with money to burn.

Well that’s a development!
AH has just mentioned her legal costs for this case and that is a complete no no.
Frantic activity at the bar and it may mean Camille can’t do her cross examination.

Not sure what happens next but can’t wait find out.