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DH friend or am I over reacting

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bibbitybobbitybugger · 20/04/2022 18:42

Hello all.
Name changed.

But of history.
But friendship group all married. Ranging in age.

Found out that husband has been messaging a friend daily since before lockdown.

Messages started as daily min dance how are you etc.

Since middle of last year the messages have become flirty and sexual. Cross boundaries for sure.
He says it's an inside joke.

Also they are now daily good morning and night
Kisses on them all.
Pet names and inside jokes.
Talking about other friends and partners etc.
Photos from him not her that I can see.

And he's said to her at Christmas that they are more than friends.

Messages were also when he was on a lad holiday and she was in hospital.

Am I over reacting as he thinks I am and that I'm doing this to stop a friendship.

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MerryMarigold · 21/04/2022 12:45

He certainly likes to look like the good guy. I'm sure the friend that he made apologize isn't going to think well that he's been having these conversations with someone else in the group. He's not going to come out of this well, OP. And yes, I too think your mental health struggles may be to do with him. It is going to get nasty. I think he's actually quite dangerous.

Can someone advise OP on whether she should expose him now or not. I just think he's going to pre empt it and create some story eg. She created those screenshots, he never did this or that.

Alittlepotofrosie · 21/04/2022 12:47

God hes a piece of utter shit. Sounds like he's done you a favour because you deserve so much better than this. He sounds abusive and nasty.

If i were you id stay quiet with him but over the next couple of days, get as much paperwork relating to financial stuff as you can, print it all off and hide it. Pensions, savings, investments - everything you can get your hands on. Because he's told you he's looking after her and not you so you need to look after yourself and that means getting every bloody penny you're entitled to. He doesn't get to just keep the house because it's got his name on it. You're married. That's the point of marriage.

And once that's done, id blow the lid on their dirty sordid little affair.

KettrickenSmiled · 21/04/2022 12:47

bibbitybobbitybugger · 21/04/2022 11:26

So we ended up having a bit of a passive aggressive conversation.

He's basically said he will protect his children and her and not to question his priorities.

He brought up my mental health and other things. And that the kids deserve better than me as a mother.

That she was there for him and the kids when I was too busy

Excuse me Bibbety - your H is a cunt.

This is absolutely "The Script" I mentioned above. Please see the ChumpLady link I provided to it. One of the greatest things about Chump Lady is how she uses her anger & astonishing sense of humour to get through it - & get her fellow "chumps" angry enough to act in their own best interests, while dealing with the pain by finding a way to laugh at some of it.

Here is another link to her site. Please read it & use it for info/support/relief ... while you very firmly resolve not to do the "Pick-Me Dance" your H would love to see you humiliate yourself with.
www.chumplady.com/2012/04/the-humiliating-dance-of-pick-me/

Another aspect to this is becoming increasingly clear - his ego & public image management.

He's said they haven't been physical as they are both married and he has more respect for her than to do that.
Bullshit! he's just minimising, with a side helping of getting in a painful little goad to you about his "respect" for an OW.
Tempting to ask him how his "respect" for OW's DH manifests, innit? You know - this oblivious cuckold he has made out of a man he calls his friend ...
(but don't do that. You are keeping your head down now, remember? Allowing him to think that you are buying his bullshit & are still the placid downtrodden little wife ...)

He's basically said he will protect his children and her and not to question his priorities.
Fuckwit has forgotten they are YOUR children too.
Fuckwit thinks he is the boss of you.
Fuckwit does not like to be challenged, does he?
Fuckwit is presenting an image of this noble affair-haver, who has So Much Respect For His OW So Isn't Shagging Her (chinny reckon), & any accusations of physical contact with her will shatter his illusion that sexting another man's wife while married himself a bit of banter is 'normal' & acceptable.

He brought up my mental health and other things. And that the kids deserve better than me as a mother.
Gaslighting cuntery.
Don't believe a word of it.
He is just undermining you,. Punishing you for daring to question him.
Your kids have the benefit of a non-arsehole in one parent - you. I'll bet he doesn't 'parent' his kids - they are accessories, props in his Family Man Of The Year Show, no? While YOU do all the actual grunt work.

That she was there for him and the kids when I was too busy
ha ha ha ha ha. Not.
Busy - what? Working? Mothering? Running the household?
"There for him" my arse. When has he ever been "there for you"?

I don't generally question him about anything. He's very much the leader sonyo speak
Which is why I want you to be very clever & careful Bibbity - he is used to unquestioning acceptance, & any deviation from that will make him angry. Look at how he is punishing YOU for HIS affair already.
Look at those outrageously nasty things he said to you. Remember he is a liar, he believes he is entitled to 100% control & decision-making, so please .... start acting NOW like you are backing down & accepting his story.
You can have all the pleasure & catharsis of letting rip AFTER you have had a few appointments with your lawyer & have legal protection in place about the house etc.

Here is another link for you to consider when you have time to ruminate (& safely browse without interference).
H's traits are so marked at this point that even PP who don't know him are picking up on it. It's bandied about on here a lot, & while nobody needs to pretend they can diagnose - it is going to be very useful to you to read up on the characteristics & behaviours of narcissism. Whether he is a narc or not is beside the point - the point is, knowledge is power, & some background reading is going to help inform you about how he is going to act & respond to you. Forewarned is forearmed ...

Link follows, because I reckon your H has many traits associated with COVERT narcissism. The need for a public persona, the need to be perceived as 'leader', the demand that his wife submit unquestioningly to his version of events - no matter how ridiculous & self-serving his story. His willingness to lash out verbally at you, to hurt you for daring to question his 'Beautiful Friendship' ... he is training you to shut up, or he will cause you emotional pain. He knows just how to wound you. Think on ... how many years has he been training/wounding you like this? It must be several, for you to have become so ground down you no longer question his 'authority' ...

He even has the fucking temerity to inform you that you are over-sensitive & his affair is acceptable to him, so it ought to be acceptable to you. He does not give a shit about your feelings my dear. You must not believe a single word that comes out of his bullshitting mouth about "priorities" or "protecting the kids". His ego is the only thing that is important to him.
Read on here ... www.drgeorgesimon.com/covert-personalities-and-personality-disorders/

... recognise anyone ...?

bibbitybobbitybugger · 21/04/2022 12:49

He made her apologies to me and he limited contact with her for a while. And was very on guard with her.
Which is why this whole thing has surprised me so much.
He made another friend apologise to the "ow" for apparently ignoring her too. So it's all coming together.

He is very smart and tbh has already probably got a plan. He usually has.

I don't know what the friends will say. The guys are all very close, play sort together, lads breaks etc

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bibbitybobbitybugger · 21/04/2022 12:51

Thank you all so much. You've all really helped me Smile

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KettrickenSmiled · 21/04/2022 12:51

bibbitybobbitybugger · 21/04/2022 11:58

The sex stuff was more things that I wouldn't be comfortable doing and convinced with low sex drive.

Yeah, funny how being badgered for sex acts we don't wish to perform diminishes a woman's sex drive, innit.

Quartz2208 · 21/04/2022 12:55

His plan I suspect it to really hone in on your mental health and how much you were not there for him however much he tried. He is shifting the blame and the narrative onto you being at fault.

He isnt going to just give you anything OP - you need to be proactive and get legal advice.

And DO NOT leave the house. Whatever he tries.

Maybe Womens Aid as well - I think you have been trapped for a long time in a controlling and emotionally abusive relationship with a misogynistic man

bibbitybobbitybugger · 21/04/2022 13:00

He's told people about my mental health before and the toll on him and the kids.
Even the youngest now agrees with him

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KettrickenSmiled · 21/04/2022 13:04

Ye Dogs he is a piece of work.

He said he will protect her and the kids as they are innocent and he won't have people being dragged into something that I've blown up.
Classic DARVO.
You have not blown anything up. You are not messaging this OW with naked pics & sex chat. HE has blown it up.

He's said that she's the one who has been there for him and the kids and everyone knows that. And that I'm going to embarrass myself further.
"Everyone" knows that the kids have 2 parents, only one of whom is shagging around & disrespecting all concerned.
This is simply an attempt at damage control.
He is trying to make you believe that everyone else will think you are the "crazy ex wife" he is already framing you as.

I have been quite distant from the friendship group recently. Due to my mental health so I don't know what has been said.
Of course you are, he has you worrying about who will believe you, is painting you as "crazy".
This has had the desired effect of making you retreat from the group, so you are isolated. Isolation is the classic tool of the coercive controller.
Your lawyer will be very interested in this aspect. Coercive control is now illegal, carries a maximum sentence of 5 years. I don't suggest you make this a goal! - but mention it to help you feel less alone.
Your mental health will improve immeasurably once you no longer have a gaslighting bellend in it btw.

I know that a (another) friend recently made a flirty comment at him and he shut that down straight away and messaged this other friend telling her it was inappropriate and to apologise to me
This was nothing more than a PR exercise.
Behold! Mr Morality, self-appointed 'leader' of your social group! What a mensch!
It's also near-perfect cover for his own faithless cheating. "But I shut this shit down & told them to apologise to my wife! I am saintly like that! Nobody could possibly believe what a giant flaming hypocrite I am!"

KettrickenSmiled · 21/04/2022 13:14

Can someone advise OP on whether she should expose him now or not.

SHE ABSOLUTELY SHOULD NOT.

Dramatically satisfying as it is to imagine, this is not a soap opera - it is OP's life. A life which could be made financially devastating if this prick is allowed to get ahead of her urgent need to find & engage an excellent lawyer who is well versed in the maniplative & shady practices of abusive husbands.

The time for satisfying denouemnts (although sadly, it won't be that neat in actuality, & some people in the group will behave disappointingly) is after OP has secured her rights to/claim on the marital home, established what accounts H holds, & has been assured by her lawyer that her arse is now 100% legally & financially covered.

Bibity - don't worry that you don't have access (surprise surprise) to H's solo accounts. Ditto any shareholdings etc. All you need is copies of any documents pertaining to them. If you are sharp about it, H will not even know you have them. This is to your AND THE DC's benefit - because while you might not yet know "how much", your lawyer will know "where" & your shady fucker of an H cannot hide money & assets from you without causing significant legal trouble for himself. It is illegal to conceal/lie about money & assets in a divorce. So you need to get on top of it now, & make sure he cannot try to rip you off.

You know he will. He can gaslight you about a brazen affair. He will gaslight you about money. This is the arrogant tosser who reckoned it's all dandy not to have his wife on the mortgage docs, remember?

bibbitybobbitybugger · 21/04/2022 13:25

He already has a lawyer and legal team due to his work

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bibbitybobbitybugger · 21/04/2022 13:28

The children are very much on his side and aren't really for me much anymore

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MerryMarigold · 21/04/2022 13:35

I often read threads on here and think people (not the OPs) are overreacting but in this case, I'm in agreement with everyone. The way he has behaved, and now is behaving, is odd bordering on dangerous. Get RL support OP from someone you trust or who doesn't know the group, your Mum? Friends outside the group?

MerryMarigold · 21/04/2022 13:37

The children are very much on his side and aren't really for me much anymore

Has he enabled that? And is he making you think that?

KettrickenSmiled · 21/04/2022 13:40

bibbitybobbitybugger · 21/04/2022 13:00

He's told people about my mental health before and the toll on him and the kids.
Even the youngest now agrees with him

This is outright parental alienation Bibbity.

And another vital point to write on the checklist you are going to be bringing to your lawyer.

bibbitybobbitybugger · 21/04/2022 13:49

No I don't think he has. He's always been very involved with them. They've always been more dad

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Quartz2208 · 21/04/2022 14:19

bibbitybobbitybugger · 21/04/2022 13:49

No I don't think he has. He's always been very involved with them. They've always been more dad

No they havent - this is the whole way you have been treated throughout this that makes you think this way

FabFitFifties · 21/04/2022 14:25

How old are your children OP? Are you worried he will try to cut you out, or that they would even choose to live with him? Don't let this worry feel like a reason to stay, shut up, and keep up his public profile. Your children will see him eventually for what he is - when they cross him. If you stay you will feel like nothing. If you go, you can be much happier in time. Get out of his control. You can make new healthier friendships too. Escaping this circus, seems a positive move too. Share with people you trust to be discreet and supportive. You have nothing to be embarrassed about - he will try to tell you otherwise, to keep you silent.

Reigateforever · 21/04/2022 15:44

Take photos of the messages with your phone and hide them, just in case.

LadyMil · 21/04/2022 15:59

This is exactly what happened to me in a previous relationship. Gaslighted, lied to and made to feel it was my fault and down to me. It was just “banter”……like fuck it was.

I posted the messages (pictures) on Facebook so his family and friends could see them. I removed him from my Facebook and blocked him on everything beforehand.

It felt really empowering.

1FootInTheRave · 21/04/2022 16:50

He is absolutely hideous and this marriage is over.

Personally, I would get my shit together and then expose them for the lying cunts that they are.

bibbitybobbitybugger · 21/04/2022 17:47

I told him today how would he like it if the tiles were reversed.

He rolled his eyes and said ok. He took the kids out to their usual picnic place and left me home.

Haven't found anything regards to paperwork or anything.

Some mutual friends are coming tonight for dinner and don't know how I will get through it

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Cheshirema · 21/04/2022 18:01

Be strong you can come through this and when you do you will wonder how you stuck it so long . You have so many people backing you .

bibbitybobbitybugger · 21/04/2022 18:12

Thank you. I'm on auto pilot at the moment.

I just keep replaying the setting in my head and imaging it

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KettrickenSmiled · 21/04/2022 18:15

Bibbity, you will get through the dinner by focusing entirely on your friends, & working hard on forgetting your troubles for an evening.
You'll do this because you are a strong minded woman who is able to put aside the horrible feelings your H has caused, & comport herself with dignity. You will be acting the part of the SANE WIFE who is welcoming to friends & courteous to her H is company.

This isn't meant to be taken as a barked order btw! - but have a little think about it as you gear up to being "on stage" tonight.
Your H is about to wage a PR war against you.
You have told us he is a planner who probably already reckons he can twist the law to his side due to his job. *
You counter that - starting tonight - by refusing to be the diffident, isolated woman his headgames are deliberately trying to turn you into.

*SPOILER - he can't. See Chump Lady again - these Script-Followers tend to be arrogant, & assume everyone around them is so stupid that they can be assigned roles & will behave exactly as they are being manipulated to do. It's a weakness that you can take advantage of. Don't let him see your upset anymore. Stop being on the back foot. Enjoy the company of youyr friends. Be a gracious & happy host (all as an act, if you have to!).

You are part of this friendship group - you are part of your own household FFS. Don't let the undermining your H has been putting on you stop you from enjoying the full social benefits of all that.

Bright & breezy. Cards close to your chest.
Solicitor - get recommendations from TRUSTED pals or family this weekend, & ring for an appointment on Monday.
Demeanor - 'business as usual' - while you gather all the info & resources you need.
You might be quite surprised at some of the figures your lawyer will be able to propose, once you have furnished them with the details. Imagine living without being gaslit, & maybe not even having to leave the marital home! Or at least gaining 50% of the value & equity from it. Alongside half all pensions, savings, & whatever other assets.

All that is for your new life & your DC.
Don't let a tricky evening derail you from that focus tonight. You may need to act like you are hoping to win an Oscar, but that is short term. You WILL get through this. And your self-esteem is going to rocket once you realise how much better off you are without your awful condescending tosser of an H belittling & humiliating you xx

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