I wonder how Leave voters feel about P&O Ferries.

[lecreusetpeppermill]

I know many people voted one way or the other for different reasons, but those who were concerned about immigration 'swallowing jobs' or driving wages down.......how do they feel about this recent story?

Do they not feel lied to?

@Kendodd

Is anyone attributing all poverty to Brexit? Brexit is one factor increasing poverty and division in the uk.

It is the main driver.

Covid and Ukraine War are only short term blips in the economic sense. They do not destroy our productive capacity. They cause economic disruption but can be adjusted for via Govt spending (furlough, covid loans, energy loans etc..)

Brexit destroyed our productive capacity. It is long-term and permanent. That capacity is never coming back.

That 4% permanently smaller GDP due to Brexit translates into about £30 BILLION in lost tax revenue.

That is going to be extracted (using the current inflationary shock) from:

1. Public sector employees
2. People on benefits
3. Students

That is what is going on right now.

UK is now about to delay import checks again from the EU. There is no real infratsructure at the border to do the import checks on July 1st

This has been delayed three times already since 2020.

It's time to pack it in an accept the following:

Leave voting folks in the UK need to accept that they were lied to and manipulated on a massive scale.

Russia (and Putin) financed the leave vote via Northern Ireland in order to destabilise the UK, as well as destabilise NATO.

It's over. The only future left for the UK is a materially poorer one if we continue with this charade.

The scales fell from my eyes on this ages ago. Leave voters will NEVER change their minds, never ever. Doesn't matter the costs for themselves or others, it make no difference, peace in NI doesn't matter, if Brexit broke up the UK, price worth paying. Nothing will make them reconsider, not even Putin personally thanking each and everyone of them for their vote.

@daimbarsatemydogsbone

I predict that the government will puff and blow for a week or so, and then this will be allowed to quietly fade into the background I imagine you're right.

This kind of fire and replace has been going on for far longer than Brexit and the arguments around it though. As also mentioned on this thread it dates back way further - so people attributing it solely to Brexit are letting their prejudice cloud their judgement - it's complicated.

We are six years into Brexit, plenty of time for this "Change" we supposedly voted for to happen!!!

Huge problem with this desire for Change, is that the people who we entrust to do this, are the very same people who messed up the UK in the first place.

But once again, UK problems get blamed on EU/Labour/Ukraine/Covid or "No one told me!!"

P&O didn't follow the law on consultation, they appear to have done this with impunity & as i said earlier, EU workers of P&O not sacked, workers in the EU have far better protection rights.

P&O didn't follow the law on consultation
I'm surprised they didn't use the government own line in that meeting and say they broke the law... what was it? In a very specific and limited way?

Anyway, an example of how Leave voters are absolutely welded to Brexit no matter what the damage. Look at the DUP, their biggest fear is a United Ireland and yet all committed Leave voters, still. They must see that their vote has brought a United Ireland close than anything Sinn Féin has done, ever. My view is that they took a gamble thinking Brexit would deliver a hard 1980s style boarder between NI and ROI, it's looking like they lost and instead its delivered a sea boarder. Now instead of trying to row back and campaigning for SM and CU membership to solve all their problems, they want even more Brexit. Stupid!

So anyway, I think even if Leave voters lose their livelihoods and homes as an absolutely unambiguous direct result of Brexit (not p&o) itll make no difference, they would vote exactly the same again, blame the EU for all their problems and become even more entrenched.

@Kendodd

So anyway, I think even if Leave voters lose their livelihoods and homes as an absolutely unambiguous direct result of Brexit (not p&o) itll make no difference, they would vote exactly the same again, blame the EU for all their problems and become even more entrenched.

Yep, in exactly the same way as when the EU implement laws that effect ALL 3rd countries, we get 'Express/Mail headlines stating "EU punishes Great Britain"

Control the media and control the electorate, its how Putin could (in his early years) have relatively free elections but win on a landslide, despite some very awful decision making.

None of this has been lost on the Tory party.

Yep, in exactly the same way as when the EU implement laws that effect ALL 3rd countries, we get 'Express/Mail headlines stating "EU punishes Great Britain"
I know!
I know a Leave voter outraged and bewildered because they can't now retire to Spain as planned. Voted Leave because of 'too many immigrants ' and has now said that FoM should only apply one way, in that we should be able to move unhindered to the EU but EU citizens shouldn't be able to come here. Apparently her retirement plans in the bin are all the evil EU punishment for Brexit.

@Kendodd I believe the UK's reluctance to take in Ukrainian refugees, despite the rhetoric, is because they are european, the UK Govt has no problem getting 3000 per week from HK into the UK and what exactly are they fleeing?

Alexandra2001
HK used to be under British rule, a few would count themselves as British and can come to GB under the handing over to China

@Unphased

Alexandra2001 HK used to be under British rule, a few would count themselves as British and can come to GB under the handing over to China

BNO-type passports only allowed entry and not residence (I think it was a 6 month stay max for tourist purposes).

What they did is create a Visa for HK folks to aquire residency like EU folks & settled status.