I wonder how Leave voters feel about P&O Ferries.

[lecreusetpeppermill]

I know many people voted one way or the other for different reasons, but those who were concerned about immigration 'swallowing jobs' or driving wages down.......how do they feel about this recent story?

Do they not feel lied to?

While we are at it, how about asking, how do lockdown enthusiasts feel about P&O. Almost all of the crises at the moment are down to the over zealous Covid restrictions. Struggling businesses, higher taxes, runaway inflation, the list goes on. Watching Netflix and baking banana bread while economy was shut down doesn’t feel like a good idea anymore, does it?

For the record, French seafarers working for P&O have not been sacked.

How many French seafarers do they employ? Perhaps their French staff are all land based?

How did Irish Ferries do it in 2005, in that case?

And 2019?

Irish Ferries is being accused of using foreign crews to pay below the minimum wage.

SIPTU said the company's vessels fly foreign flags and it does not pay Irish minimum wage rates to foreign workers.

The Union will hold a protest later at Dublin Port later to highlight the issue.

www.irishexaminer.com/business/arid-30903078.html

@lecreusetpeppermill

Ah, I had a simplistic view of this, not too well up, sorry.

I think i was just curious about the double standard - people wishing to reduce immigration but accepting it if we can exploit them.

I see this is more complex.

It's P&O who are doing the exploiting. This is soley down to them, no Brexiteers involved.

But surely its better that lorries don't use us as a land bridge? They filled up with petrol before coming here so the uk made no money out of that, they paid no road tax and they caused pollution. Surely having one fifth 20% fewer lorries on the road is a good thing?

I agree.

While we are at it, how about asking, how do lockdown enthusiasts feel about P&O. Almost all of the crises at the moment are down to the over zealous Covid restrictions. Struggling businesses, higher taxes, runaway inflation, the list goes on. Watching Netflix and baking banana bread while economy was shut down doesn’t feel like a good idea anymore, does it?

The obviouysly haven't been geen a narrative to post yet, OP wanted to come across as a critical thinker and knee jerk into an anti brexit narrative because they quickly posted something from twitter without really understanding anything of the situation that she openly admitted, the benefit of MN is that they can name change, memory hole this and start a thread somewhere down the line that is loosley related and pull the 'didn't know what they where voting for' card and fill up a thread, maybe even carry it on to multiple threads.

I shouldn't need to say this, but I am staunch remainer, but if there is one place where the narrative of people who voted remain are more intelligent or critical thinkers, MN isn't it

Op there’s a Brexit topic in Other Stuff - you will get more answers there.

You won't get very far here.

People who voted Brexit do one of three things now:

1. Pretend they never voted for Brexit
2. Pretend the UK economy is roaring along
3. Pretend they understood what they voted for

Nobody likes to be conned. My expectation is for them to double and triple down on their views.

Cost of living crisis however will definitely impact their views.

That may cause a change. Hopefully.

@BambinaJAS

You won't get very far here.

People who voted Brexit do one of three things now:

1. Pretend they never voted for Brexit
2. Pretend the UK economy is roaring along
3. Pretend they understood what they voted for

Nobody likes to be conned. My expectation is for them to double and triple down on their views.

Cost of living crisis however will definitely impact their views.

That may cause a change. Hopefully.

The same cost of living crisis that is also affecting EU countries?

Employment laws haven't changed - maritime workers always had very little protection.

What we can do now - which we couldn't do before - is exclude DP World from government contracts. Such action wasn't allowed under EU law.

@Justcallmebebes

Nice try OP but this is a Dubai owned company so absolutely nothing to do with Brexit.

Except insofar as neatly explained by @ChiswickFlo

I imagine most people feel the same, as it's not connected with Brexit ... might be an idea to do a bit of research before trying to stir up anti-Brexit debate.

@DdraigGoch

Employment laws haven't changed - maritime workers always had very little protection.

What we can do now - which we couldn't do before - is exclude DP World from government contracts. Such action wasn't allowed under EU law.

Although apparently the government still want to go ahead and give them contract for Freeports?

@Firesidefox

Same way as Remain voters I should think OP, ie disgusted.

Why?

This.

@balalake

Leave voters may feel lied to, but they are unlikely to admit it. Just as they are unlikely to admit they never expected anything other than a Remain win, voted Leave as what they expected to be just a free protest.

What a ridiculous assertion - have you interviewed all 17 million?

@sst1234

While we are at it, how about asking, how do lockdown enthusiasts feel about P&O. Almost all of the crises at the moment are down to the over zealous Covid restrictions. Struggling businesses, higher taxes, runaway inflation, the list goes on. Watching Netflix and baking banana bread while economy was shut down doesn’t feel like a good idea anymore, does it?

Maybe a good thread in its own right but yep

@Merrymouse it's early days yet, I'd imagine that government lawyers are looking into how they can pull out of existing contracts.

For the record, French seafarers working for P&O have not been sacked.
Employment law aside - no doubt sacking any French seafarers would have resulted in them setting fire to the entire port of Calais in a blockade lasting weeks while the French Police looked on, shrugged and blamed The English. I sometimes wish people would get more angry/active about things - but out Police turn up and tell us to go home - or "kettle" everyone until they are desparate.

[quote DdraigGoch]@Merrymouse it's early days yet, I'd imagine that government lawyers are looking into how they can pull out of existing contracts.[/quote]
I'd imagine government lawyers are looking into how they can spin it and carry as normal.

It feels like there’s a subtle undertone that if people voted leave this is there fault. Which is clearly nonsense.

We left. It’s done. Time to accept it.

It actually does have to do with brexit as they have got rid of the UK workers who don't have permission to work on the EU countries on all routes giving the company flexibility

Honestly some people wont just leave it alone. Claiming that the Leave voters didnt know what they were voting for, stating that all of them secretly think this but wont admit it.

There was a Refendum. Leave won and Remain lost. Just accept it and move on.

I was grabbed when shopping and asked to sign for a people's vote presumably to get another answer. I pulled her arm off me and said there was a People's Vote. What next - best of three.

@BambinaJAS

You won't get very far here.

People who voted Brexit do one of three things now:

1. Pretend they never voted for Brexit
2. Pretend the UK economy is roaring along
3. Pretend they understood what they voted for

Nobody likes to be conned. My expectation is for them to double and triple down on their views.

Cost of living crisis however will definitely impact their views.

That may cause a change. Hopefully.

That may cause a change. Hopefully. What kind of change are you hoping for exactly?

@maddy68

It actually does have to do with brexit as they have got rid of the UK workers who don't have permission to work on the EU countries on all routes giving the company flexibility

But they have been replaced by non-EU workers so that makes zero sense.

@maddy68

It actually does have to do with brexit as they have got rid of the UK workers who don't have permission to work on the EU countries on all routes giving the company flexibility

Given that they have been replaced with non EU labour who also don’t have the automatic right to work in EU countries, have those employees applied for & visa in each country that P&O operates in?

@DirectionToPerfection

Sure, the new direct routes between Ireland and France, that were set up as a direct result of Brexit, have nothing to do with it.

Pre-Brexit, hauliers used the UK as a landbridge between Ireland and continental Europe. That has all stopped now and of course that has impacted on demand for the UK routes.

Maybe it has affected demand for the UK routes to some small degree. But the queues both sides of the Channel point to the demand being pretty high, still. And when I've been near a motorway or big A road there have been loads of overseas lorries.

I suspect covid has played a bigger role.