I wonder how Leave voters feel about P&O Ferries.

[lecreusetpeppermill]

I know many people voted one way or the other for different reasons, but those who were concerned about immigration 'swallowing jobs' or driving wages down.......how do they feel about this recent story?

Do they not feel lied to?

@maddy68

It actually does have to do with brexit as they have got rid of the UK workers who don't have permission to work on the EU countries on all routes giving the company flexibility

Bollocks. Ireland and the Netherlands are still in the EU. Staff from those countries are reported to have lost jobs. India and the Philippines never have been members. P&O has been employing staff from those countries for years.

This is entirely about paying staff a pittance.

@BambinaJAS

You won't get very far here.

People who voted Brexit do one of three things now:

1. Pretend they never voted for Brexit
2. Pretend the UK economy is roaring along
3. Pretend they understood what they voted for

Nobody likes to be conned. My expectation is for them to double and triple down on their views.

Cost of living crisis however will definitely impact their views.

That may cause a change. Hopefully.

That’s not true!

I voted for Brexit, knew what I was voting for and don’t think the economy is roaring.

What on Earth are you basing this nonsense on?

The many Brexit-voting masses that I have talked to on socia media, MN, and face to face.

The only way for this to stop (the constant circular arguments and lack of critical thinking skills), is for them to see the full economic and financial effects of their vote. Most never, ever expected this to happen.

And that is what is about to happen with covid + ukraine war. It is magnifying Brexit and the risks are getting worse due to Tory ideology.

Lets run it down shall we....

Fishermen? Poorer.
Farmers? Poorer.
Financial Services? Weakened (so poorer)
Low income folks? Massively poorer.

All of this is being driven by the set of politicians that conned them into voting for Brexit.

People don't change their views until they hit rock bottom. That is going to happen over the next two years.

BambinaJAS

The many Brexit-voting masses

Excellent!

Surely they'd agree with Patel, Rabb etc
That British workers are some of the laziest in the world and we need to strip away workers rights.
Britannia Unchained in action!

Oh go away with your Brexit rubbish

This has nothing to do with it

@BambinaJAS

The many Brexit-voting masses that I have talked to on socia media, MN, and face to face.

The only way for this to stop (the constant circular arguments and lack of critical thinking skills), is for them to see the full economic and financial effects of their vote. Most never, ever expected this to happen.

And that is what is about to happen with covid + ukraine war. It is magnifying Brexit and the risks are getting worse due to Tory ideology.

Lets run it down shall we....

Fishermen? Poorer.
Farmers? Poorer.
Financial Services? Weakened (so poorer)
Low income folks? Massively poorer.

All of this is being driven by the set of politicians that conned them into voting for Brexit.

People don't change their views until they hit rock bottom. That is going to happen over the next two years.

Yada yada remainer bullshit yada

Wham bang whopper do do da remaiinef rubbish

Except it is related to P&O as they moved to Cyprus to stay in the EU

@Chloemol aw little chloe. Believes the lies of IDS, Farage and all the other other tawdry chancers who see the opportunity to degrade workers' rights. Anyone who's read the book 'britannia unchained' written by arch brexiteers like Patel, Raab and Kwateng knows that this behaviour is exactly what we can expect now out of the EU. Brits are the laziest of workers apparently, unlike Indians, all they want to do is become footballers and TV stars...

I thought I heard that ferries out of Rotterdam already had foreign staff on them.
Can't find out anything on Google to confirm this.

It's primarily about saving money following covid and the toll on the travel industry. With cheap flights and the euro tunnel ferries have not been the transport of choice for a while prior to that either. Or are we going to blame covid and seismic changes in the travel industry over the past decade or so for it?

Blame brexit

@lecreusetpeppermill

Ah, I had a simplistic view of this, not too well up, sorry.

I think i was just curious about the double standard - people wishing to reduce immigration but accepting it if we can exploit them.

I see this is more complex.

Surely it wasn't about stopping immigration but about controlling it?

@Chloemol

Oh go away with your Brexit rubbish

This has nothing to do with it

This! Anything to bring this up again.Its done and dusted and doesn't matter which side you are on as its not as if we can get it back.Move on

There is your (and leavers) mistake.

You can't "move on" from Brexit.

The effects will be with us for the next 30 years.

Say hello to massive wage devaluation and falling living standards.

I would be very concerned if I was a leaver and was not very wealthy.

Take a look at what happened to New Zealand in the 1970s when they lost access to their primary market (UK).

Thats exactly what is going to happen to the UK now.

You voted for exactly this. Enjoy!

This has nothing to do with Brexit but it has a lot to do with the current Tory regime. They support firing and rehiring practices. Many of the Brittania Unchained are in top jobs. They believe the British are the ‘worst idlers in the world’. They love Ayn Rand survival of the fittest crap.

If you voted for Tory’s to cut ‘red tape’ then you voted for this. Red tape includes worker protections. P&O would never have attempted this under a different government. Mark my words other companies are watching to see the outcome to see if they can get away with this too.

Nevertheless, I’m certain many complaining about P&O today will vote Tory next time.

*Honestly some people wont just leave it alone. Claiming that the Leave voters didnt know what they were voting for, stating that all of them secretly think this but wont admit it.

There was a Refendum. Leave won and Remain lost. Just accept it and move on.

I was grabbed when shopping and asked to sign for a people's vote presumably to get another answer. I pulled her arm off me and said there was a People's Vote. What next - best of three.*

This

The financial crisis we're in? So are EU countries (and much of the rest of the world).

There's been the small matter of a pandemic that's made sure of that.

If we're going to debate whether Brexit was the right decision in the short term / long term, fair enough (although I'll step out as I've moved on), but please let's have an informed debate that doesn't pick headlines to suit.

As for P&O. Disugusting behaviour that could have happened whether or not there was Brexit.

@BambinaJAS

There is your (and leavers) mistake.

You can't "move on" from Brexit.

The effects will be with us for the next 30 years.

Say hello to massive wage devaluation and falling living standards.

I would be very concerned if I was a leaver and was not very wealthy.

Take a look at what happened to New Zealand in the 1970s when they lost access to their primary market (UK).

Thats exactly what is going to happen to the UK now.

You voted for exactly this. Enjoy!

Did you miss the bit where Covid destroyed businesses, which is what happened here.

Aside from that, your attitude is really weird. And immature. What do you mean ‘enjoy’. Some people voted differently to how some of us voted. Do you also say this to Tory voters and then feel good about ‘winning about the argument’ but never having your preferred party in power because they, like you, just insult prospective voters.

Finally, what do you propose to do if not ‘move on’? Can you change it? It’s obsessive and strange and irrational to not ‘move on’.

And Farages next publicity sucking bandwagon is ‘Net Zero’ where he’ll convince the 17.4 million that the economic pain they’re suffering isn’t anything to do with extreme right wing policies but the ‘green agenda’. They will then vote for their water to become more polluted and for more coal stations choking the air to get back at lefties and the ‘woke mob’.

Where this does link to Brexit is that the ferries were just a smaller part of the package when Dubai bought Southampton and London Gateway ports, which are now a central part of the Freeports scheme.

Freeports are part of the ‘Singapore’ Brexit vision - low tax, low regulation. The government appears set to hand over large parts of this operation to the people they are now claiming they will punish for breaking regulations.

Whatever the ins and outs of Brexit, I thought most people voted for it under the impression that it would protect British jobs. However, what can the government do once Dubai has so much control of infrastructure?

I’m not making a point about leavers/Remainers here - just generally concerned about this government’s competence and honesty.

@JackieWeaverHandforthCouncil

And Farages next publicity sucking bandwagon is ‘Net Zero’ where he’ll convince the 17.4 million that the economic pain they’re suffering isn’t anything to do with extreme right wing policies but the ‘green agenda’. They will then vote for their water to become more polluted and for more coal stations choking the air to get back at lefties and the ‘woke mob’.

Mostly agree with this.

The UK electorate is far too easily manipulated by the media.

Farage has a lot to answer for as well

@Merrymouse

Where this does link to Brexit is that the ferries were just a smaller part of the package when Dubai bought Southampton and London Gateway ports, which are now a central part of the Freeports scheme.

Freeports are part of the ‘Singapore’ Brexit vision - low tax, low regulation. The government appears set to hand over large parts of this operation to the people they are now claiming they will punish for breaking regulations.

Whatever the ins and outs of Brexit, I thought most people voted for it under the impression that it would protect British jobs. However, what can the government do once Dubai has so much control of infrastructure?

I’m not making a point about leavers/Remainers here - just generally concerned about this government’s competence and honesty.

The reason why this is all connected to Brexit is because the leavers in the UK chose Boris. They knew full well at the time just how bad he was.

Boris then chose a cabinet full of incompetent Brexit rubber stampers.

Thats precisely why we are seeing so much corruption and incompetence right now in British politics.

None of these folks would have ever been near the corridors of influence or power without Brexit

Think about it....

Gavin Williamson?
Raab?
Patel?
Braverman?

These folks are far below the average.

@ChiswickFlo explained in the 7th post how this was an indirect consequence of Brexit. Other posters have pointed out the effect of Brexit on the land bridge.

Brexit isn’t the sole cause, but to say it is irrelevant is delusional

The reason why this is all connected to Brexit is because the leavers in the UK chose Boris. They knew full well at the time just how bad he was.

Is this completely true though?

Members of the Conservative Party chose Johnson, and the alternative to Johnson was Corbyn. I suspect that many right wing Remainers held their noses and ticked the blue box.

Farage has a lot to answer for as well

I agree.
Last I heard from Putin's useful idiot was him flag waving for Russia. I suppose being against net zero is, again, doing Putin work for him.