Ashamed to be british

[beachcitygirl]

Despite the bombing of a maternity hospital by Putin.
Today we find out exactly what Ukrainians need to do to gain asylum in the UK.

1. Create an online account - on the home office website & fill in a lengthy and detailed application form.
2. Upload proof that their qualifying family member has permanent residence status in the UK - they suggest a copy of the home office vignette embedded in the passport
3. Upload proof of residence in the UKraine for a full year

4.Provide and upload proof of familial relationship with the family member. Birth certificates & marriage certificates of all concerned. 5.Make sure all documents are translated into English before uploading 6.Book and attend an IN-PERON appointment at a home office visa application centre in Poland, Hungary, Romania or France. So that officials can take biometrics and copies of all documents already uploaded. The booking system for appointment frequently crashes & the next available appointment as of today is in two weeks time - at any of the venues

1. Get a tuberculosis vaccination & certificate - have it translated & upload

8.wait at SAME address while home office workers in the UK assess. Be available for phone or zoom interview.

In a fucking war zone. I despair. I truly despair & despise this government with all my heart. Patel is a sociopath & Johnson an idiot.

I'm ashamed 😓

@Annoyedtoomuch

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/609530

I’ve written to my MP and signed the above. We have become such a selfish nation.

Thank you for the link. Signed and shared.

I am proud to be British. We are a Great Nation. We are not perfect like every other Country in the World but am definitely Proud.

[quote Agrudge]@MrsMattMurdock

Yeah not a pretty history . But for a small island we did alot.

The same as the Roman's did and a few other places/people did.[/quote]
Most Empires were successful for the same reasons, pillaging snd conquering. Ottoman, Roman, Austro-Hungarian, British. These Empires were also invaded themselves a lot. The Vikings - people happily dress up as them for fancy dress, they seem to fly under the radar but they were brutal as well. Not sure I would berate Scandinavia now for their past.

Nothing is black and white. The past was a very different time.

I had the shock that my ancestors were slave owners. I’m half Caribbean. The shock came from the fact it is my black ancestors that owned slaves. Not a easy pill to swallow, at all.

I think countries need to be aware and understand their histories but not be defined by them.

What exactly is the point in playing the race card at this point? I've been appalled at the treatment of refugees for a very long time and ashamed to be English (I'm not saying British because Scotland and Ireland seem different). But I don't see the point of what's being written about there being a difference between how we respond to crisis and the accusations of racism. Let's just get on with helping as best we can in the face of a bloody disaster and leave the arguing and posturing until later.

Priti Patel is an absolute disgrace to humankind. She’s a liar and unfit for office. I can only imagine she has some top notch dirt on BJ to be able to get the job of HS after having to resign from her previous post for breaching ministerial code with her underhand meetings in Israel.
Still I guess they are a matching pair with BJ having been kicked off the front bench by the tories for sexual misconduct.

I truly despair & despise this government with all my heart. Patel is a sociopath & Johnson an idiot

Absolutely agree.

Never been proud to be British.
Always been proud to be Scottish.

Nationality might be an accident of birth, but I'm proud my nation stands against everything Boris Johnson thinks is acceptable behaviour.

Majority of the people in this country chose this government. This is to e expected from the clown and cruella that are currently in charge.

@Guineapigssweak

I am proud to be British. We are a Great Nation. We are not perfect like every other Country in the World but am definitely Proud.

What exactly are you proud of?!!!!!

Kendodd
He can just hide them as Tory party donors as he's been doing for years and Johnson and Co will roll out the red carpet and ask what he can do for them.

Which Tory donors are you talking about? This one?

The Guardian 2015 -
Britain should arm Ukraine, says Tory donor.

As the conflict in Ukraine approaches the one-year mark, the time has come to admit that the current approach of the west is failing. No one can seriously doubt that the Russian president, Vladimir Putin, intends to continue on this path for as long as possible.

Putin’s Russia stands openly opposed to traditional western values of liberal democracy and self-determination. This cold war mentality extends to the fact that Russia still casts Nato – the alliance many have now written off – as the primary threat to its security. The longer the west tiptoes around Putin, the stronger he appears at home.

So when Putin retorts that “no one needs a conflict on the periphery of Europe”, he is not speaking for himself. We cannot, and must not, believe a single word he says...

www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/11/britain-should-arm-ukraine

Compare that article with articles written by Seumas Milne - Seumas Milne was Executive Director of Strategy & Communications for the Labour Party 2015–2020

Far from keeping the peace, Nato is a threat to it.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/03/nato-peace-threat-ukraine-military-conflict

2015
Jeremy Corbyn's pro-Kremlin aide Seumas Milne pictured shaking hands with the Russian President Vladimir Putin, at a propaganda summit in Sochi.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3298550/Red-handed-Photograph-shows-Jeremy-Corbyn-s-pro-Kremlin-spin-chief-held-Putin-s-iron-grip-propaganda-summit.html

the failure of Corbyn’s team to blame Russia over the [Salisbury] attack “was in no small part” due to the influence of his director of communications, ex-Guardian editor Seamus Milne.

www.theweek.co.uk/107899/jeremy-corbyn-refusal-to-condem-russia-salisbury-attack-political-poison

Corbyn’s Pet Stalinist
foreignpolicy.com/2019/04/09/dont-underestimate-corbyns-pet-stalinist/

As for Keir Starmer - he was quite happy to sit on Labour's front bench and campaign for Corbyn to lead the country (with Seumas Milne whispering in Corbyn's ear).

It's a fucking disgrace. Yanbu!

Article in New Statesman yesterday -

I loathe Boris Johnson — but Ukrainians love him.
He's proved a more reliable ally than the US or the EU.

www.newstatesman.com/comment/2022/03/i-loathe-boris-johnson-but-ukrainians-love-him

The whataboutery is seriously getting too much now.

Ukraine is closer to us. It's a shared enemy. The refugees are women and children. It is not race, it's just more relatable.

@roarfeckingroarr

The whataboutery is seriously getting too much now.

Ukraine is closer to us. It's a shared enemy. The refugees are women and children. It is not race, it's just more relatable.

??? Outside of the op being aggressive and nasty to anyone daring to share their own experience, what the hell makes Ukrainian refugees more ‘relatable’ than any other refugees? And do you think there are no women and children refugees in other countries?

@Justcallmebebes

I agree and have emailed my MP this morning to tell her so. I think they have just announced changes to the system within the last hour or so. Whether those changes go far enough remains to be seen

That's funny, I was so incensed by all this that I emailed my MP today, too.

Not that it'll make any difference, because she's a useless lump of Tory lobby fodder, but I did remind her that there are at least 2 active groups in her constituency that do a lot to support newly arrived refugees, so we're quite a pro-refugee town, and that her majority is really rather small - 2k or so votes.

But YANBU, OP, the government is being deliberately obstructive to people who are in a really desperate situation.

@UnshakenNeedsStirring

Majority of the people in this country chose this government. This is to e expected from the clown and cruella that are currently in charge.

They didn’t. This government got 43% of all votes cast - not even half of those who voted, let alone those who didn’t bother or spoilt their papers.

Update from the Home Office here;

www.gov.uk/government/news/new-measures-to-support-ukrainians

Ukraine is closer to us. It's a shared enemy. The refugees are women and children. It is not race, it's just more relatable.

Yes and this is human nature. It is entirely normal to be more concerned with issues and occurrences you can relate to culturally and personally and are more directly affected by. It's not something you need to be ashamed off despite the best attempts of virtue signalling MNetters and other bad faith social media types. What needs to happen of course is that we make efforts to be better informed and question our own biases once these inequalities of understanding and awareness are pointed out to us. Performative shaming and berating has never been the best way to inform but seemingly many just really enjoy doing it 🤷🏼‍♀️

@Kanaloa it's a conflict on out doorstop that's we could easily be dragged into. These are all refugees not economic migrants.

In the UK we have room do we though?? I think maybe you are very very unaware that we have a huge housing crisis here in UK. Sorry it is really awful but @Catclean* has a point.

I don't think it's a case of people don't care though. Let's be Frank charity starts at home..

[quote roarfeckingroarr]@Kanaloa it's a conflict on out doorstop that's we could easily be dragged into. These are all refugees not economic migrants. [/quote]
Of course it’s different to economic migrants and yeah it’s closer to us but there are women and children in most refugee groups. Syria was never just a huge crowd of men age 25-50. And yes it is relatable (which is why it is so emotive) but I don’t think posting that you’re ‘ashamed to be British’ and then denigrating someone with actual real life experience of the system when they try to chip in (plus being patronising and rude to them) because you know better since you read the daily mail is exactly helpful.

And as I posted above it’s easy to be lovely and big hearted and say ‘let’s welcome everyone, no paperwork necessary’ but nobody seems to have any idea of how this would work realistically.

How are Poland and Germany etc doing it? They seem to have managed.

@Annoyedtoomuch

How are Poland and Germany etc doing it? They seem to have managed.

Don’t have a clue, ask them. Although I believe people are filing from Poland and Germany to come here - that’s the process op is referring to. So it doesn’t really sound like Poland and Germany are opening their borders and housing refugees indefinitely if they’re applying to come here.

And obviously just on a practicality level it’s much easier for a refugee to get into Poland than it is for them to enter the UK.