Ashamed to be british

[beachcitygirl]

Despite the bombing of a maternity hospital by Putin.
Today we find out exactly what Ukrainians need to do to gain asylum in the UK.

1. Create an online account - on the home office website & fill in a lengthy and detailed application form.
2. Upload proof that their qualifying family member has permanent residence status in the UK - they suggest a copy of the home office vignette embedded in the passport
3. Upload proof of residence in the UKraine for a full year

4.Provide and upload proof of familial relationship with the family member. Birth certificates & marriage certificates of all concerned. 5.Make sure all documents are translated into English before uploading 6.Book and attend an IN-PERON appointment at a home office visa application centre in Poland, Hungary, Romania or France. So that officials can take biometrics and copies of all documents already uploaded. The booking system for appointment frequently crashes & the next available appointment as of today is in two weeks time - at any of the venues

1. Get a tuberculosis vaccination & certificate - have it translated & upload

8.wait at SAME address while home office workers in the UK assess. Be available for phone or zoom interview.

In a fucking war zone. I despair. I truly despair & despise this government with all my heart. Patel is a sociopath & Johnson an idiot.

I'm ashamed 😓

I'm not ashamed. We are letting refugees in, just asking that they show documents first and fill in information online, not from a war zone, from one of the countries they have fled too. I do agree with the TB vaccination as well. I'm glad they're asking for the certificate to show it. I would hope that is done for all cases.

If they came across in a dingy they wouldn't need ID. They would be housed immediately and given money and clothes and food etc even massive tvs!! My Husband is still watching hundreds a day arriving and these people are not escaping any wars!!

I am so proud of the way we have been helping the Ukranian army since 2015.

We have spent millions training them and giving them weapons.

Germany, France etc have done absolutely nothing.

Germany was warned repeatedly not to become dependent on Russian gas but they did not listen.

I would be very ashamed if I were German.

Germany should pay for this mess, but they won't just like they didn't after starting 2 world wars when we had to pay for decades. They just got away scot-free.

Germany has never paid their fair share for Nato, we always have.

How on earth would they be able to translate documents? That's bonkers

But some things I think are reasonable. For example proof they're actually from Ukraine, proof of who they are and proof of TB vaccine. You really don't want TB exploding in the Uk and also we need to know who is here.

@beachcitygirl

Despite the bombing of a maternity hospital by Putin. Today we find out exactly what Ukrainians need to do to gain asylum in the UK.

1. Create an online account - on the home office website & fill in a lengthy and detailed application form.
2. Upload proof that their qualifying family member has permanent residence status in the UK - they suggest a copy of the home office vignette embedded in the passport
3. Upload proof of residence in the UKraine for a full year

4.Provide and upload proof of familial relationship with the family member. Birth certificates & marriage certificates of all concerned. 5.Make sure all documents are translated into English before uploading 6.Book and attend an IN-PERON appointment at a home office visa application centre in Poland, Hungary, Romania or France. So that officials can take biometrics and copies of all documents already uploaded. The booking system for appointment frequently crashes & the next available appointment as of today is in two weeks time - at any of the venues

1. Get a tuberculosis vaccination & certificate - have it translated & upload

8.wait at SAME address while home office workers in the UK assess. Be available for phone or zoom interview.

In a fucking war zone. I despair. I truly despair & despise this government with all my heart. Patel is a sociopath & Johnson an idiot.

I'm ashamed 😓

That's just not true, OP. I am saying this as someone who has applied and just received visas for relatives. There are a couple of bureaucratic issues, but your post is quite badly informed.

The process isn’t designed to be done from the Ukraine and if it is alarm bells would be ringing. Its for people to use when they area already safe in a European country & there are entire teams of officials in Poland etc helping people with the forms.

But don’t let the facts get in the way of a post ey?

More precisely:

1. Create an online account - on the home office website & fill in a lengthy and detailed application form.
True. Not lengthy though, five pages with quite basic info like date of birth and details of your family member in the UK.

2. Upload proof that their qualifying family member has permanent residence status in the UK - they suggest a copy of the home office vignette embedded in the passport
True. Every Ukrainian / British citizen of Ukrainian origin has this, and it takes 60 sec to upload a copy.

3. Upload proof of residence in the UKraine for a full year
Not true. Not asked. Anything that proves that they have been in Ukraine at some point before 1/1/22. I used covid vaccination certificates for mine (digital, similar to the NHS pass). Other people are using statements from their online banking, or similar.

4.Provide and upload proof of familial relationship with the family member. Birth certificates & marriage certificates of all concerned.
True, but no need to provide birth and marriage certificate for all concerned. One piece of evidence per person.

5.Make sure all documents are translated into English before uploading
True, which is a 10 min job for their UK based family member. No need for certified translation, a DIY one is accepted.

6.Book and attend an IN-PERON appointment at a home office visa application centre in Poland, Hungary, Romania or France.
True, but not only in these offices - anywhere. Mine applied not in these listed above.

So that officials can take biometrics and copies of all documents already uploaded.
Not true, only the passport is needed to verify ID. If you uploaded everything yourself, no further scanning takes place.

The booking system for appointment frequently crashes & the next available appointment as of today is in two weeks time - at any of the venues
Hasn't been our experience at all, but presumably depends on the centre.

7. Get a tuberculosis vaccination & certificate - have it translated & upload
Not true, not asked for ANYWHERE, that's someone fantasy.

8.wait at SAME address while home office workers in the UK assess.
Not true. You have a choice of leaving passport there to collect later or come later with a sticker to be glued into your passport.

Be available for phone or zoom interview.
Also not true, there's nothing like that in the process at all.

@forinborin Thank you for explaining to OP how it actually works. I understand it will get even easier next week, thank goodness, and be done all on-line. The issue was always needing civil service people locally on the ground, but where on earth were they to be magicked up from? Hence changing to a fully on-line system, which seems much more sensible.

I also wanted to shout from the rooftops about how grateful I am to every British that you have let my family in (I honestly thought there will be a refusal or another cop-out at the last moment). Don't be ashamed, there's absolutely no reason to. They are pension age, and unlikely to become a genuinely economically productive member of the British society in the same way as I have. They, of course, want to return home as soon as possible (the start of the planting season on their dacha apparently is more important than any personal danger or minor geopolitical issues such as WWIII), but if they are unable to, I will at least ensure they aren't a burden here.

No, not ashamed to be British.

We aren’t tarring the Russians with the actions of the Kremlin are we? Well then we don’t get the same tarnish. I disassociate myself with the Gov.

I know lots of people volunteering their time to help charities helping Ukraine. Most British people are caring, kind and considerate. Like every country there’s good and bad but I am definitely not ashamed to be British. Just like Russians shouldn’t be ashamed to be Russian.

@forinborin

More precisely:

1. Create an online account - on the home office website & fill in a lengthy and detailed application form.
True. Not lengthy though, five pages with quite basic info like date of birth and details of your family member in the UK.

2. Upload proof that their qualifying family member has permanent residence status in the UK - they suggest a copy of the home office vignette embedded in the passport
True. Every Ukrainian / British citizen of Ukrainian origin has this, and it takes 60 sec to upload a copy.

3. Upload proof of residence in the UKraine for a full year
Not true. Not asked. Anything that proves that they have been in Ukraine at some point before 1/1/22. I used covid vaccination certificates for mine (digital, similar to the NHS pass). Other people are using statements from their online banking, or similar.

4.Provide and upload proof of familial relationship with the family member. Birth certificates & marriage certificates of all concerned.
True, but no need to provide birth and marriage certificate for all concerned. One piece of evidence per person.

5.Make sure all documents are translated into English before uploading
True, which is a 10 min job for their UK based family member. No need for certified translation, a DIY one is accepted.

6.Book and attend an IN-PERON appointment at a home office visa application centre in Poland, Hungary, Romania or France.
True, but not only in these offices - anywhere. Mine applied not in these listed above.

So that officials can take biometrics and copies of all documents already uploaded.
Not true, only the passport is needed to verify ID. If you uploaded everything yourself, no further scanning takes place.

The booking system for appointment frequently crashes & the next available appointment as of today is in two weeks time - at any of the venues
Hasn't been our experience at all, but presumably depends on the centre.

7. Get a tuberculosis vaccination & certificate - have it translated & upload
Not true, not asked for ANYWHERE, that's someone fantasy.

8.wait at SAME address while home office workers in the UK assess.
Not true. You have a choice of leaving passport there to collect later or come later with a sticker to be glued into your passport.

Be available for phone or zoom interview.
Also not true, there's nothing like that in the process at all.

For your benefit & the rest of the "oh so keen to try & pick holes know it all's

This post was a quote from Respected bafta winning BBC journalist Victoria Derbyshire.

As I've said about a million times already.

But you know. Clearly you're couch anecdotes are better. Rolls eyes at the little englander xenophobia on show quite clearly from some.

Totally ashamed. And equally pleased that many back bench Tory MPs feel the same. Patel is, quite rightly, being torn a new one for her handling of this crisis.

OP - Why are you being so rude and nasty to people who don't agree with you. Forinborin has actually applied for visas for family members so she knows what she is talking about

This post was a quote from Respected bafta winning BBC journalist Victoria Derbyshire.
Journalists are as misinformed as anyone else. I went personally through the process myself for my own family, as well as have spoken literally with dozens of Ukrainian people who are doing the same for their relatives. I don't know a single one of them who is enraged or appaled at the level you demonstrate here - quite the opposite, everyone is incredibly thankful. So that's that for "coach anecdotes". What Ms Derbyshire is saying (if she actually is saying that - have no time to investigate) is not what the reality of the process is.

@forinborin

This post was a quote from Respected bafta winning BBC journalist Victoria Derbyshire. Journalists are as misinformed as anyone else. I went personally through the process myself for my own family, as well as have spoken literally with dozens of Ukrainian people who are doing the same for their relatives. I don't know a single one of them who is enraged or appaled at the level you demonstrate here - quite the opposite, everyone is incredibly thankful. So that's that for "coach anecdotes". What Ms Derbyshire is saying (if she actually is saying that - have no time to investigate) is not what the reality of the process is.

Sure. I'll take your personal one off anecdote

(well what you say is your personal anecdotal experience - there's no proof of that )

Over a published bafta winning journalist.
Off you pop dear.

I will decide when to "pop off" myself, thanks - but it is indeed a very warm welcome for a foreign person you demonstrate here, "dear".

@beachcitygirl I think you misunderstand what MN is for. It for sharing experiences (anecdotes), and opinions.

You seem to labouring under the belief that everything that is reported on the BBC is one hundred per cent accurate. It really isn't you know. Regardless of who presents a show, award winning, or otherwise.

I think you need to look at the current thread about misinformation and critical thinking OP. It seems you can’t accept anything that isn’t your world view. Or maybe read this:

theoatmeal.com/comics/believe

You so absolutely want the U.K. to be this little racist island that you’ve put the blinkers on and won’t have it any other way.

I would absolutely trust peoples own first hand accounts. As much as I have respect for her she has been wrong in the past.

You obviously don’t want the truth (whatever that is) and don’t want discussion which is clear from your phrases like ‘off you pop’ and resorting to calling other people xenophobic if they don’t agree with you. Which, doesn’t make sense.

And before you do the same to me, I’m half Caribbean so don’t even try it 🤣

@BigWoollyJumpers oh I'm far from thinking BBC are always accurate but I do trust a respected journalist more than an anonymous someone on a forum & their "anecdotes"

@forinborin

More precisely:

1. Create an online account - on the home office website & fill in a lengthy and detailed application form.
True. Not lengthy though, five pages with quite basic info like date of birth and details of your family member in the UK.

2. Upload proof that their qualifying family member has permanent residence status in the UK - they suggest a copy of the home office vignette embedded in the passport
True. Every Ukrainian / British citizen of Ukrainian origin has this, and it takes 60 sec to upload a copy.

3. Upload proof of residence in the UKraine for a full year
Not true. Not asked. Anything that proves that they have been in Ukraine at some point before 1/1/22. I used covid vaccination certificates for mine (digital, similar to the NHS pass). Other people are using statements from their online banking, or similar.

4.Provide and upload proof of familial relationship with the family member. Birth certificates & marriage certificates of all concerned.
True, but no need to provide birth and marriage certificate for all concerned. One piece of evidence per person.

5.Make sure all documents are translated into English before uploading
True, which is a 10 min job for their UK based family member. No need for certified translation, a DIY one is accepted.

6.Book and attend an IN-PERON appointment at a home office visa application centre in Poland, Hungary, Romania or France.
True, but not only in these offices - anywhere. Mine applied not in these listed above.

So that officials can take biometrics and copies of all documents already uploaded.
Not true, only the passport is needed to verify ID. If you uploaded everything yourself, no further scanning takes place.

The booking system for appointment frequently crashes & the next available appointment as of today is in two weeks time - at any of the venues
Hasn't been our experience at all, but presumably depends on the centre.

7. Get a tuberculosis vaccination & certificate - have it translated & upload
Not true, not asked for ANYWHERE, that's someone fantasy.

8.wait at SAME address while home office workers in the UK assess.
Not true. You have a choice of leaving passport there to collect later or come later with a sticker to be glued into your passport.

Be available for phone or zoom interview.
Also not true, there's nothing like that in the process at all.

Re posted as very interesting

Hers OP, I can’t seem to link it but it’s an interesting read if you can find it

‘AIBU - to think society has lost the ability to allow opposing views anymore’

[quote beachcitygirl]@BigWoollyJumpers oh I'm far from thinking BBC are always accurate but I do trust a respected journalist more than an anonymous someone on a forum & their "anecdotes"[/quote]
Would you change your mind if I told you it was originally reported in the Daily Mail?

And also a poster who I've read posts from for years and who's username gives an idea...

[quote BigWoollyJumpers]@forinborin Thank you for explaining to OP how it actually works. I understand it will get even easier next week, thank goodness, and be done all on-line. The issue was always needing civil service people locally on the ground, but where on earth were they to be magicked up from? Hence changing to a fully on-line system, which seems much more sensible.[/quote]
Yes. To be fair, I was a bit annoyed myself as it initially seemed to take longer than was declared (promised within 24 hours, took a few days, and of course there have been some minor additional expenses associated etc). Started to lose hope that it is actually a workable option, thought it is mainly PR. But otherwise, with the benefit of hindsight now, it has been a reasonably smooth sailing, can't complain.

Some other friends and more distant family members who sought refuge in some other EU countries (not the border ones - as I had means, I made sure everyone travelled further to the West) frankly, have a worse experience at the moment. The EU did indeed proudly declare the three-year no-questions-asked route at the supreme level, but there seems to be very little effort put in for the local implementation. You know, things like access to schools, healthcare and so on that rely on existing bureacratic systems, local councils etc - you can't just barge in, wave a printout of an EU directive and demand that your child is enrolled into the nearest village school.

This is not to say that everything is perfect with the UK immigration system, of course not. I just wanted to add some balance to the discussion, from the point of view of someone who actually has first-hand experience.