Ashamed to be british

[beachcitygirl]

Despite the bombing of a maternity hospital by Putin.
Today we find out exactly what Ukrainians need to do to gain asylum in the UK.

1. Create an online account - on the home office website & fill in a lengthy and detailed application form.
2. Upload proof that their qualifying family member has permanent residence status in the UK - they suggest a copy of the home office vignette embedded in the passport
3. Upload proof of residence in the UKraine for a full year

4.Provide and upload proof of familial relationship with the family member. Birth certificates & marriage certificates of all concerned. 5.Make sure all documents are translated into English before uploading 6.Book and attend an IN-PERON appointment at a home office visa application centre in Poland, Hungary, Romania or France. So that officials can take biometrics and copies of all documents already uploaded. The booking system for appointment frequently crashes & the next available appointment as of today is in two weeks time - at any of the venues

1. Get a tuberculosis vaccination & certificate - have it translated & upload

8.wait at SAME address while home office workers in the UK assess. Be available for phone or zoom interview.

In a fucking war zone. I despair. I truly despair & despise this government with all my heart. Patel is a sociopath & Johnson an idiot.

I'm ashamed 😓

@ClemFandangoo wouldn't dream of it as you haven't been explicitly racist to me on this thread as some have.

Secondly, I see a lot of xenophobia from some on here & selfish right wing daily hate Mailesque views.

Thirdly, i like the chat on here but world class journalists v mumsnetters I definitely know who is more likely to have accurate info.

Fourthly, casual racism abounds on here, thank goodness Mumsnet hq are swift to remove.

Lastly I do think my view on protecting and helping refugees from war zones is the correct one.
Other views not so much - I'm happy to disagree or cheerfully change my view, you don't know me, it's one thread.

You can think what you like of that as same as I can about previous poster with her anecdotes - ie I think she's full of it.

The joy of anonymous forums. Im free to tell her to pop off as she's free to keep banging on about her anecdotes. Hurrah for forums.

I say Open the borders - we have room. Your family as you're half Caribbean in, got here as did mine.

Namaste

[quote beachcitygirl]@BigWoollyJumpers oh I'm far from thinking BBC are always accurate but I do trust a respected journalist more than an anonymous someone on a forum & their "anecdotes"[/quote]
I'll happily doxx myself to the Mumsnet HO if they agree

*Sure. I'll take your personal one off anecdote

(well what you say is your personal anecdotal experience - there's no proof of that )

Over a published bafta winning journalist.
Off you pop dear.*

Lol.

OP: I’m ashamed to be British! Why aren’t we helping the Ukrainians more???!!!

Actual Ukrainian person: shares own experience.

OP: oh shut up dear, what do you know? Idiot.

@Kanaloa

*Sure. I'll take your personal one off anecdote

(well what you say is your personal anecdotal experience - there's no proof of that )

Over a published bafta winning journalist.
Off you pop dear.*

Lol.

OP: I’m ashamed to be British! Why aren’t we helping the Ukrainians more???!!!

Actual Ukrainian person: shares own experience.

OP: oh shut up dear, what do you know? Idiot.

Great synopsis 🙌🏻

This post was a quote from Respected bafta winning BBC journalist Victoria Derbyshire

Victoria Derbyshire's source of information is actually the Daily Mail -

Victoria Derbyshire
@ vicderbyshire
As reported in today’s
@ DailyMailUK this is what Ukrainians need to do to apply for a visa to come to the UK.

One detail is easily checked -

Visa Application Centres (VACs) in Ukraine are currently closed. You can apply at a VAC in any country if you are able to travel safely.

VACs are currently operating throughout Europe including

Budapest, Hungary
Chisinau, Moldova
Warsaw, Poland
Bucharest, Romania
Paris, France

@Clavinova

This post was a quote from Respected bafta winning BBC journalist Victoria Derbyshire

Victoria Derbyshire's source of information is actually the Daily Mail -

Victoria Derbyshire
@ vicderbyshire
As reported in today’s
@ DailyMailUK this is what Ukrainians need to do to apply for a visa to come to the UK.

One detail is easily checked -

Visa Application Centres (VACs) in Ukraine are currently closed. You can apply at a VAC in any country if you are able to travel safely.

VACs are currently operating throughout Europe including

Budapest, Hungary
Chisinau, Moldova
Warsaw, Poland
Bucharest, Romania
Paris, France

Everyone can check many facts themselves by filling in the online application form, it is accessible everywhere on gov.uk. Of course, don't submit it in order not to jam the system, just check what the form says / what evidence is asked for.

BigWoollyJumpers
Would you change your mind if I told you it was originally reported in the Daily Mail?

Sorry - didn't spot your post!

How do you expect that border control differentiate between chancers and genuine Albanian refugees?

And as for the Gov assertion that we have to do rigorous checks of all these women and their children because Putin is hiding his henchmen as Ukrainians refugees. Why would he do that? He can just hide them as Tory party donors as he's been doing for years and Johnson and Co will roll out the red carpet and ask what he can do for them.

[quote beachcitygirl]@BigWoollyJumpers oh I'm far from thinking BBC are always accurate but I do trust a respected journalist more than an anonymous someone on a forum & their "anecdotes"[/quote]
So why engage then
This is anonymous forum people are allowed to have views even if they are different from yours 🤣

@MiniCooper15

It's standard for refuges with brown or black skin. Haven't heard much complaints about this previously.

Yep, we don’t matter.

“@x2boys

Why don't you go and join the other chest beating I'm so ashamed thread op?
There is a crazy megalomaniac in Russia who is causing this
Stop making it all about you”

Why are you still confusing Putin’s actions with the UK’s response to those actions. Is it really that difficult to grasp the difference?? No one is exactly absolving Putin of any blame here.
Stop making it all about missing the point.

Ok but you can't let thousands of people that you haven't verified in. Do you not see the serious danger posed by Russian spies?

It should be simplified but please; save your outrage for the people who caused this shit.

I’m not ashamed to be British. I am ashamed of the British Government.

@Kanaloa

*Sure. I'll take your personal one off anecdote

(well what you say is your personal anecdotal experience - there's no proof of that )

Over a published bafta winning journalist.
Off you pop dear.*

Lol.

OP: I’m ashamed to be British! Why aren’t we helping the Ukrainians more???!!!

Actual Ukrainian person: shares own experience.

OP: oh shut up dear, what do you know? Idiot.

Pretty much.

@Simonjt clearly, oh and wer're idiots & can't be british either... as only white people are british.

[quote Thingstodotoday]“@x2boys

Why don't you go and join the other chest beating I'm so ashamed thread op?
There is a crazy megalomaniac in Russia who is causing this
Stop making it all about you”

Why are you still confusing Putin’s actions with the UK’s response to those actions. Is it really that difficult to grasp the difference?? No one is exactly absolving Putin of any blame here.
Stop making it all about missing the point.[/quote]
Well it kind of is all about Putin ,if he hasn't started this war then there wouldn't be Ukrainian refugees
But tbh these threads are all just me ,me me , people using the awful situation to make political points .

@Agrudge

I'm proud to british . And what we've achieved for such a small island nation

I mean we did it mainly by enslaving or murdering lots of people and plundering the natural resources of their territories but hey

Thanks for bringing this to my attention op. I wholeheartedly agree with your opinion and currently I strongly feel we are not doing enough for Ukraine. It's the worst atrocity of my life time and I just don't see how a policy of economic sanctions will do any thing for the people of Ukraine in the short term. It may prevent Putin from taking swathes of Europe but it's not going to stop him raising Ukraine to the ground. And there has been suggestions that he might use ammonia and chemical weaponry as well as small nuclear weapons. There already is a long list of war crimes he's already committed.

So what do we do? Make refugee status impossible to achieve. It's immoral, it's wrong and it's not enough.

I am ashamed to be British. I am ashamed to be European. I emailed my MP to sort it out.

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/609530

I’ve written to my MP and signed the above. We have become such a selfish nation.

MrsMattMurdock

Well said!

@MrsMattMurdock

Yeah not a pretty history . But for a small island we did alot.

The same as the Roman's did and a few other places/people did.

Kendodd

And as for the Gov assertion that we have to do rigorous checks of all these women and their children because Putin is hiding his henchmen as Ukrainians refugees. Why would he do that? He can just hide them as Tory party donors as he's been doing for years and Johnson and Co will roll out the red carpet and ask what he can do for them.

Well, quite. Horse already bolted on allowing Russia to damage our interests in many ways. Like interfering in our elections for example.

Agrudge
I'm proud to british . And what we've achieved for such a small island nation
I mean we did it mainly by enslaving or murdering lots of people and plundering the natural resources of their territories but hey

Literally!!

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