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To not want to go on holiday with friend due to her eating disorder?

225 replies

Backujij · 06/03/2022 17:16

Or at least what I think is an eating disorder.

I go on holiday with a friend every so often, and she has asked me to join her on a city break later this month. I love her and usually enjoy her company, but her attitude to food has got to the point where I don’t want to go.

If I leave anything on my plate there is a huge fuss made about wasting food. She will have my leftover food boxed up and carry it around for the rest of the evening. Nothing wrong with that if it was substantial, but it’s even if it’s a few carrots or a couple of spoonfuls of soup, and she makes such a big thing of it, always with questions like ‘how much do you waste at home? You should keep anything you don’t finish at home and have it for your next meal until it’s gone’. On one occasion, she took back to our hotel a bit of pie I hadn’t finished, and had the filling for dinner one evening and the pastry the next, and refused to order any dinner while I ate because she’d had the leftovers.

She also decided exactly what restaurants we’re eating in before we arrive on holiday, and there is no leeway. She will quiz the waiters about the food and their suggestions for a lengthy time to find out if it’s local food etc before she orders, and it’s embarrassing. She has woken me up in the morning to show me the menu of where we’re eating that night. She makes a huge fuss of having to have exactly what she wants to eat at exactly where she wants to eat, and never ever consults me. If I offer up alternatives she’ll say (huffily) ‘well we can go there but no, I won’t be eating there. I want something healthier/more local/less expensive/not as touristy’ etc.

Sometimes she’ll come to restaurants she hasn’t chosen, refuse to eat, then ask if she can have people’s leftovers when they’ve finished.

She got so thin at one point that she was hospitalised with exhaustion and told to lay off exercise for a while. I have never asked her about whether she thinks she has an eating disorder, although she did say on our last holiday that she did get too thin at one point.

She knows she’s controlling about food and has asked if it bothers me. I have said it does, but she never changes.

I know that she’s probably ill, but WIBU to refuse to go on holiday with her any more? It’s a shame because otherwise I adore her company and have known her many years, and we live on opposite sides of the country so we really only get to see each other when we go away.

AIBU to stop holidaying with her because of this when it is likely she can’t help it? Should I go and try and be supportive?

OP posts:
ChaToilLeam · 07/03/2022 08:41

This sounds like a miserable way to spend a holiday. I have great sympathy for your friend and her ED but YANBU to decline to go away with her. Accommodating her obsessions is not going to help her seek the support she clearly needs. Tell her no, and tell her why, but with love. Perhaps you can visit her, staying in a hotel? You don’t need to close the door on the friendship.

AngelinaFibres · 07/03/2022 08:43

@bangaverage

You can have an eating disorder/be neurodiverse and still be a dickhead. The two aren't mutually exclusive.
Absolutely. And other people who have stuff going on in their own lives and want to enjoy a lovely meal, in a lovely place and to eat or leave whatever they wish are equally entitled to live their life. One person's mental health issues do not trump another person's right to happiness.
MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 07/03/2022 08:48

We have done self catering a number of times too. Same sort of thing happens. Me: ‘shall we get pizza tonight?’ Her: ‘we could, but I’m not eating a takeaway. Let’s go to the shop and buy quality, seasonal products and make our own pizza’. I suppose I give in to keep the peace
My answer would be " Ok,you do that but I'm ordering a pizza"

You don't always have to back down OP.

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 07/03/2022 08:48

The same as taking your left overs I'm a restaurant, you say no!

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 07/03/2022 08:49

**in a

ThanksItHasPockets · 07/03/2022 08:51

Now that you’ve said that she has a child I think you have to tell her the real reason why you aren’t going, even if you lose a friendship over it. Better that than the terrible lifelong damage she could do to her child’s relationship with food if she carries on without treatment.

rookiemere · 07/03/2022 08:54

If you don't give in though, it leads to an unpleasant incident.

We go on group holidays and BIL has anxiety about some things which leads him to want to control some scenarios, and is particularly bad at group meals.

After a number of incidents I've vowed that I will not go on the big family meal out at the end of the holiday any more, as invariably I will react to some bizarre behaviour on his part - shouting at me for leaving a tip, shouting at me because I'd put £2.36 more in than necessary and he wanted me to come down and go through the bill with him, leaving us to walk home because his DS wanted to order an expensive steak(that he was going to pay for himself) , shouting at DH because he didn't order from the 2 for 1 menu - and the whole evening is soured and my family has usually paid over the odds for it as we're the only ones tipping.

I've decided next time we'll have a family takeaway, or if we can find somewhere with a set price menu that might just about be tolerable. But in our case it's not just him and me, it's suffocating having to deal with it for even one meal.

sweetbellyhigh · 07/03/2022 08:58

Perfectly reasonable to say no to any occasion involving food.

When people reach this level of illness, they need wake up calls in order to confront their problems. She won't necessarily make a big effort to get better if you refuse to holiday with her but it could well be part of the process.

I once holidays with someone who was obsessed with food as in all the things she couldn't it. It was a massive drag and I wouldn't do it again. I would be honest but kind.

HailAdrian · 07/03/2022 09:01

So what do you suggest the OP should do?

Post to mumsnet so you lot can be massive dicks about her unwell friend, obviously.

Scooby5kids · 07/03/2022 09:02

@rookiemere

If you don't give in though, it leads to an unpleasant incident.

We go on group holidays and BIL has anxiety about some things which leads him to want to control some scenarios, and is particularly bad at group meals.

After a number of incidents I've vowed that I will not go on the big family meal out at the end of the holiday any more, as invariably I will react to some bizarre behaviour on his part - shouting at me for leaving a tip, shouting at me because I'd put £2.36 more in than necessary and he wanted me to come down and go through the bill with him, leaving us to walk home because his DS wanted to order an expensive steak(that he was going to pay for himself) , shouting at DH because he didn't order from the 2 for 1 menu - and the whole evening is soured and my family has usually paid over the odds for it as we're the only ones tipping.

I've decided next time we'll have a family takeaway, or if we can find somewhere with a set price menu that might just about be tolerable. But in our case it's not just him and me, it's suffocating having to deal with it for even one meal.

Wow he sounds like hard work
Scooby5kids · 07/03/2022 09:06

@AngelinaFibres Wow, it's a good job she's not my SIL because I don't share my food, ever! I don't waste any either. I eat really fast. She'd get a slap on the back of the hand if she touched my chip basket! 🤣🤣🤣

rookiemere · 07/03/2022 09:07

@Scooby5kids yes he really is hard work Grin.

But it is mostly anxiety and I should know by now that "the big meal out" triggers his anxiety. It would be good if he had the self awareness to skip it himself- he clearly doesn't enjoy it - but as he doesn't, I will have to.

We put up with it because SIL is lovely and mostly the holidays work. If it's just him and SIL
Staying with us for example, he's absolutely fine and actually quite fun.

I've had some good stories over the years now and friends look forward to hearing about the BIL meal out tale when we get back. The rest of the family have become so used to pandering to it, it's only when they see me challenge that I think they realise it's not normal.

AngelinaFibres · 07/03/2022 09:16

[quote Scooby5kids]@AngelinaFibres Wow, it's a good job she's not my SIL because I don't share my food, ever! I don't waste any either. I eat really fast. She'd get a slap on the back of the hand if she touched my chip basket! 🤣🤣🤣[/quote]
My husband and I had both ordered chips with something else. She said "Oh I'll just share yours ". We both said "No you wont". She looked astonished. People pleasing SIL immediately said "Oh its okay you can share mine P I won't have vinegar".

TeenyWeenyBikini · 07/03/2022 09:20

I'd be calling friend and having an honest conversation along these lines...

Friend, I love you, I enjoy your company and I'd love to enjoy a holiday together as we used to but I'm afraid I won't be going this year. Your obsession over food is out of control dominating every waking minute and it's exhausting and miserable. I'm worried about you and fear there is more going on here than just being a bit of a foodie or into healthy eating. I'm here for you and can I help?

echt · 07/03/2022 09:23

@HailAdrian

So what do you suggest the OP should do?

Post to mumsnet so you lot can be massive dicks about her unwell friend, obviously.

I do wonder if the OP's friend was an alcoholic, also a mental illness, there would be quite so much having of the friend's back. Hmm

I know exactly what this means, having been raised by the mentally ill.
They are in a world of pain, but can, and often are massive pains in the arse. You can love them but it doesn't make them automatically likeable.

What should the OP do? Tell her friends why no more holidays.

catless · 07/03/2022 09:26

What does she order in a restaurant? Does she eat it all?

HailAdrian · 07/03/2022 09:45

*I do wonder if the OP's friend was an alcoholic, also a mental illness, there would be quite so much having of the friend's back. hmm

I know exactly what this means, having been raised by the mentally ill.
They are in a world of pain, but can, and often are massive pains in the arse. You can love them but it doesn't make them automatically likeable.

What should the OP do? Tell her friends why no more holidays.*

I have also been personally affected by alcoholism and no, I would still not support shitty comments. That's mumsnet for you though, any opportunity to show your superiority. Think it must stem from boredom or something. Anyway, OP is asking if she should say no to going on holiday which is clearly a no-brainer. She can't 'fix' her friend.

echt · 07/03/2022 10:07

I have also been personally affected by alcoholism and no, I would still not support shitty comments. That's mumsnet for you though, any opportunity to show your superiority. Think it must stem from boredom or something. Anyway, OP is asking if she should say no to going on holiday which is clearly a no-brainer. She can't 'fix' her friend

If you're referring to me, in no way have I suggested shitty comments. I have suggested a course of action, not the wording.

KosherDill · 07/03/2022 10:33

I've stopped holidaying with two (separate) friends of 35 years because of their eating issues.

One is obsessed- we've not finished breakfast when she's agitating about where we'll eat lunch, get ice cream, get dinner, on and on.

The other had bariatric surgery and is doing great but the constant discussion of her limitations and her table manners as regards ordering stuff she wants but shouldn't have,and sort of gagging it down, is off-putting to say the least.

I miss them but just not interested in revolving my holiday around others' food issues.

Lavender24 · 07/03/2022 10:50

I have had an ED for 17 and I know it's been very difficult for the people around me. I don't think you're being unreasonable to not want to go on holiday with her because of this. I think you should be honest with her about it too. If she has a child she needs to face up to and attempt to tackle her issues or her child is going to pick up on it and possinly end up with an ED themselves.

Brefugee · 07/03/2022 11:05

Post to mumsnet so you lot can be massive dicks about her unwell friend, obviously.

Who has been a dick about mental illness? people have said they wouldn't want to put up with this on a holiday and to say no. People have often said "gently let her down" or "have you contacted her DH" and so on.

(sorry peeing my pants about wet-SIL not putting vinegar on her chips so other SIL can scarf them. I would be sticking one up each of her nostrils, like in A Fish Called Wanda and covering the rest in lovely vinegar)

Backujij · 07/03/2022 11:18

@catless

What does she order in a restaurant? Does she eat it all?
When she does actually order, I can’t remember anything particularly strange about what she orders. I can’t really remember if she eats it all either, probably because I don’t care. I assume she does given the fuss she makes when I don’t finish.

All I can remember being strange about the ordering process is the quizzing of the waiting staff for an embarrassing amount of time. ‘What’s local?’ ‘What do you recommend?’ ‘Is this in season?’ ‘Is it organically produced?’ ‘And what about this dish? Do you recommend this one? You haven’t tried it? Is there a waiter who has?’

There was a time when an exasperated noise escaped my mouth entirely subconsciously and she looked astonished.

I also love starters, I often think they’re better than mains. She makes a huge fuss about how if I have a starter I won’t eat a main. It drives me crackers. I’m a grown woman and can eat and waste whatever I like (which I’ve told her, but it doesn’t change anything).

OP posts:
Lochroy · 07/03/2022 11:32

I couldn't cope with this. I know it's tough but you're not the medic to help resolve her illness, you're a caring friend.

I wouldn't be going away in this situation. Can you meet for a day trip half way between you and each bring a packed lunch so you can enjoy each other's company without food coming into it?

JulesRimetStillGleaming · 07/03/2022 11:59

My ex girlfriend had an eating disorder and it was the biggest part of why we split up.

It got to the point that she was so controlling over what I was allowed to eat that I would have panic attacks in restaurants. It was emotionally exhausting to deal with.

You don't have to enable her eating disorder. It will be kinder to her to set your own boundaries and to point out the impact this is having on you. It's up to her to seek help but if everyone around her collides to support her in it, she has no incentive to have treatment.

JulesRimetStillGleaming · 07/03/2022 11:59

*colludes

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