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AIBU?

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To not want to go on holiday with friend due to her eating disorder?

225 replies

Backujij · 06/03/2022 17:16

Or at least what I think is an eating disorder.

I go on holiday with a friend every so often, and she has asked me to join her on a city break later this month. I love her and usually enjoy her company, but her attitude to food has got to the point where I don’t want to go.

If I leave anything on my plate there is a huge fuss made about wasting food. She will have my leftover food boxed up and carry it around for the rest of the evening. Nothing wrong with that if it was substantial, but it’s even if it’s a few carrots or a couple of spoonfuls of soup, and she makes such a big thing of it, always with questions like ‘how much do you waste at home? You should keep anything you don’t finish at home and have it for your next meal until it’s gone’. On one occasion, she took back to our hotel a bit of pie I hadn’t finished, and had the filling for dinner one evening and the pastry the next, and refused to order any dinner while I ate because she’d had the leftovers.

She also decided exactly what restaurants we’re eating in before we arrive on holiday, and there is no leeway. She will quiz the waiters about the food and their suggestions for a lengthy time to find out if it’s local food etc before she orders, and it’s embarrassing. She has woken me up in the morning to show me the menu of where we’re eating that night. She makes a huge fuss of having to have exactly what she wants to eat at exactly where she wants to eat, and never ever consults me. If I offer up alternatives she’ll say (huffily) ‘well we can go there but no, I won’t be eating there. I want something healthier/more local/less expensive/not as touristy’ etc.

Sometimes she’ll come to restaurants she hasn’t chosen, refuse to eat, then ask if she can have people’s leftovers when they’ve finished.

She got so thin at one point that she was hospitalised with exhaustion and told to lay off exercise for a while. I have never asked her about whether she thinks she has an eating disorder, although she did say on our last holiday that she did get too thin at one point.

She knows she’s controlling about food and has asked if it bothers me. I have said it does, but she never changes.

I know that she’s probably ill, but WIBU to refuse to go on holiday with her any more? It’s a shame because otherwise I adore her company and have known her many years, and we live on opposite sides of the country so we really only get to see each other when we go away.

AIBU to stop holidaying with her because of this when it is likely she can’t help it? Should I go and try and be supportive?

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pussycatunpickingcrossesagain · 06/03/2022 19:19

Really nice restaurant, so dressed up nicely, maybe with the theatre or nice bars afterwards, and she carries leftovers around.
What would happen if you asked them to box up your leftovers, and then you sneaked the box into the bin before you left the restaurant? Would she go through the bins?
Frankly, she should wind her neck in and leave your leftovers on your plate - they don't belong to her, so she has no say over their final destination.
I wouldn't eat with her ever again.

TheNoodlesIncident · 06/03/2022 19:19

...it wouldn’t make much difference. It would just go into the ‘I am only going to have one bottle of beer tonight and I’m going to bed early because I want to go on a hike at 6am’ or whatever. The control would just transfer.

OK, that turns it into a total No Thank You. The food issues were bad enough on their own, but if she started to exert control over other things instead (even if she didn't, it sounds like you'd be tense waiting for it), that would make the holiday totally miserable. Your time off is precious, your longed-for holiday is precious, the money you saved and paid out for it is precious. Why should someone else's issues ruin that for you?

I would just not mention any holidays to her myself and if she brought it up, I'd say "Sorry Sarah, I've not been enjoying our holidays so I'll give it a miss going forward. I like to relax around food on holiday."

Whatwouldnanado · 06/03/2022 19:19

No probably about it, she has a serious issue. Holiday aside as a friend could you be direct about it, offer details of local support? Might just help save her life.

rookiemere · 06/03/2022 19:20

OP it's maybe worth having one last chat with her about it. it sounds like you've told her that you've found her attitude to eating difficult but not said what you'd like to do differently. Could you suggest that you don't eat together ? Or spend limited time together?

pussycatunpickingcrossesagain · 06/03/2022 19:25

Might just help save her life.
Eh? she's not going to choke to death on a second hand chicken drumstick...

HailAdrian · 06/03/2022 19:29

@pussycatunpickingcrossesagain

Might just help save her life. Eh? she's not going to choke to death on a second hand chicken drumstick...
Aw there we go, minimising eating disorder. Lovely!
nomoremsniceperson · 06/03/2022 19:29

Yes, that's 100% an eating disorder. I had anorexia in my teens and I spent a massive amount of time fixating on food and the tiny amount of it I could eat. I remember going on a trip with a friend and how exasperated she got with my rigidity around the issue and how I panicked when I felt I wasn't in control of what and when we were going to eat.

She is ill, and you shouldn't go because holidays are supposed to be fun, but be gentle with her about it. I'm sure you will be - you've given every indication that you're a kind and empathetic friend who cares for this person.

You refusing to go on the trip may give her some food for thought (no pun intended) and may encourage her to assess how much control her eating issues have come to exert over her and her life. That's the paradox with anorexia; one becomes so obsessed with control, that one doesn't realise one has completely lost all control to the illness.

Benjispruce5 · 06/03/2022 19:30

Never mind eating disorders, she’s just rude.

Backujij · 06/03/2022 19:36

@nomoremsniceperson

Yes, that's 100% an eating disorder. I had anorexia in my teens and I spent a massive amount of time fixating on food and the tiny amount of it I could eat. I remember going on a trip with a friend and how exasperated she got with my rigidity around the issue and how I panicked when I felt I wasn't in control of what and when we were going to eat.

She is ill, and you shouldn't go because holidays are supposed to be fun, but be gentle with her about it. I'm sure you will be - you've given every indication that you're a kind and empathetic friend who cares for this person.

You refusing to go on the trip may give her some food for thought (no pun intended) and may encourage her to assess how much control her eating issues have come to exert over her and her life. That's the paradox with anorexia; one becomes so obsessed with control, that one doesn't realise one has completely lost all control to the illness.

Thank you for sharing that. Can I ask, would you have wanted a friend to ‘confront’ you about whether you had a problem, or pretend they didn’t notice so as to not scare you off and make you hide it more, if that makes sense?
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ThanksItHasPockets · 06/03/2022 19:36

Definitely do not go on the holiday but think very carefully before you tell her the real reason why. She will be very, very defensive and your friendship may not recover.

Backujij · 06/03/2022 19:37

[quote HailAdrian]@Backujij of course I don't know how to approach it, I don't know the woman! I think a bunch of MNers banging on about how annoying she must be and how they couldn't bear to be friends with her when she seems to have a serious mental illness is fucking weird though.[/quote]
Okay, no need to be aggressive. I thought you might have experience in the field since you indicated what I shouldn’t do.

OP posts:
AlisonDonut · 06/03/2022 19:38

[quote HailAdrian]@Backujij of course I don't know how to approach it, I don't know the woman! I think a bunch of MNers banging on about how annoying she must be and how they couldn't bear to be friends with her when she seems to have a serious mental illness is fucking weird though.[/quote]
The question is whether to go on holiday with her again, and the answer is no.

Not stop being friends with her.

Calm down dear.

pussycatunpickingcrossesagain · 06/03/2022 19:38

@Benjispruce5

Never mind eating disorders, she’s just rude.
^This.
Backujij · 06/03/2022 19:39

@ThanksItHasPockets

Definitely do not go on the holiday but think very carefully before you tell her the real reason why. She will be very, very defensive and your friendship may not recover.
Yes, this is why I have never confronted her. I think she’ll be defensive and the few details I do get will disappear. The difficulty is that we only really see each other when we’re on holiday.

This isn’t a new problem. I first realised she looked dangerously underweight about seven years ago.

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Schmz · 06/03/2022 19:42

@pussycatunpickingcrossesagain

Might just help save her life. Eh? she's not going to choke to death on a second hand chicken drumstick...
Eating disorders have the highest mortality of Any mental illness - The OP signposting her friend to specialist help absolutely could save her life -

I had no idea people were still SO clueless about eating disorders !!

KneadingKitty · 06/03/2022 19:43

What a shame :-( I feel sorry for her because she obviously can't help whatever is going on in her head, but also for you too because you shouldn't be subject to that. I hope she doesn't have children because it's not healthy to be around that sort of behaviour.

Schmz · 06/03/2022 19:43

Spot on 👍 good advise IMO

Schmz · 06/03/2022 19:45

@Schmz

Spot on 👍 good advise IMO
I’m referring to @nomoremsniceperson’s honest and informative post
PlumpAndDeliciousFatcat · 06/03/2022 19:46

@ThanksItHasPockets

Definitely do not go on the holiday but think very carefully before you tell her the real reason why. She will be very, very defensive and your friendship may not recover.
I agree with this BUT if she has children, especially daughters, I would risk sacrificing the friendship if I thought it might drive her to get help. A parent with issues around food can inflict lifelong damage.
Backujij · 06/03/2022 19:47

@KneadingKitty

What a shame :-( I feel sorry for her because she obviously can't help whatever is going on in her head, but also for you too because you shouldn't be subject to that. I hope she doesn't have children because it's not healthy to be around that sort of behaviour.
She had her first not too long ago. Her DH must understand the situation better than me, I hope.
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KneadingKitty · 06/03/2022 19:48

Eating disorders are often linked with undiagnosed neurodiversity, which in itself leads to trauma for many. Trauma itself can also be the root.

When I first read it I thought that it maybe that she grew up in poverty and had developed a thing about food and waste. Perhaps her parents had been strict about waste because they were poor and were too headstrong with it and caused a problem for her. Obviously I don't know, just thinking out loud I guess as it's quite conflicting behaviour to be so concerned about other people's leftovers but then hardly eat and become too thin.

ThatsNotMyGolem · 06/03/2022 19:49

To be honest, I would have told her to fuck off the first time she asked to take home my scraps.

oakleaffy · 06/03/2022 19:50

That sounds like a coercive adult to a child!
''Eat it all up!''
''You'll have the leftovers for breakfast''
No!
I was phobic about restaurants and food generally after a coercive food experience at a nursery school, where were were force fed ...and I'd never, ever dream of telling anyone, no matter what age, what they should eat or not eat.

DillDanding · 06/03/2022 19:50

She sounds like a complete and utter nightmare.

I couldn't stand someone deciding in advance where we were going to eat and as for the 'doggy bags', that would make me murderous.

Don't go - she needs to realise her controlling weirdo behaviour is not on.

RachelGreeneGreep · 06/03/2022 19:51

@nomoremsniceperson

Yes, that's 100% an eating disorder. I had anorexia in my teens and I spent a massive amount of time fixating on food and the tiny amount of it I could eat. I remember going on a trip with a friend and how exasperated she got with my rigidity around the issue and how I panicked when I felt I wasn't in control of what and when we were going to eat.

She is ill, and you shouldn't go because holidays are supposed to be fun, but be gentle with her about it. I'm sure you will be - you've given every indication that you're a kind and empathetic friend who cares for this person.

You refusing to go on the trip may give her some food for thought (no pun intended) and may encourage her to assess how much control her eating issues have come to exert over her and her life. That's the paradox with anorexia; one becomes so obsessed with control, that one doesn't realise one has completely lost all control to the illness.

Great post.

Going back to your question, OP, I think it would be a difficult thing to say to someone. But, in the long run, it might help if you were to say to her that it is an issue, and that you are worried about her.