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Can’t forgive MIL aibu?

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Bluffysummers · 20/02/2022 15:02

For transparency I’ve also posted in relationships but I’m posting here for traffic because she’s expected around in the next 15 mins.

I really need some tips on how to deal with my MIL, she’s visiting today and honestly my patience with her is so thin the thought of her visiting makes me tense.

Just so y’all don’t think I’m one of those mean DIL this is why.

I’m a white Muslim dh is south Asian. We met fell in love and wanted to marry. The diatribe I’ve had from her about this in the beginning was unreal I’ve been called a kafir (disbeliever) because I’m white, told I have no family values and that I’m a gold digger. I continued to make an effort and put all this down to ignorance, she’d basically be hot and cold, one day nice and the next she’d refuse to engage with me and let her in her. By making an effort I mean taking her on days out, treating her to lunch, cooking dinner for her etc. I felt it was thrown back in my face and it did hurt my feelings. It came to a head over 2 things, a family wedding (split strictly men women) and none do the women would let me sit down for food, including her, I’d approach a chair and they’d put their bag there or say this seat is taken etc. It was very mean girls ‘you can’t sit with us’ and then secondly when dh and I had plans with my parents and she didn’t like it so pretended to her extended family she was dying and got them all to call us and basically give us a telling off for leaving her alone. From then I could take no more and went NC. There is more she had a temper tantrum when we bought our house because it was too far from her (20’mins).

I swept this all under the rug and went clean slate when dc was born. She wanted to babysit dc when we wfh, wanted to actually begged. She’d come to our house to do it. Behind our backs she’s been making nasty comments about our house, of course it got back to me but the big issue for me was she was basically neglecting dd. DD is a v warm little girl and loves everyone but she actively hates MIL, she sees her and will burst into tears. V strange. At first we thought it was the language barrier but she’s met other people who speak no English and is fine with them. By contrast when she sees MIL even via face time she bursts into tears and cries no no no. Often MIL would leave her in a soiled nappy (a few times we’d give the benefit of the doubt as we’ve all missed one here and there ), would sit in doors all day, no Interaction with dd I’d come down and she’d just be watching her tv shows (mil) and dd would be playing alone, wouldn’t open windows when it’s hot, wouldn’t fill up her drink, I was working through lunch once and then heard an argument and MIL behind dh back when he popped to the loo forcefed dd spicy food and it triggered a huge food aversion (didn’t even apolgise, just said well she needs to know she’s Asian not white). When dd was learning to walk heard her scream and was on the floor crying when we came down, MIL refused to say what happened, managed to get it out of her she slipped and hit her head she wouldn’t say what surface she fell onto (tile big problem for under / carpet not so much) . Dd was also so unhappy, crying and crying banging on doors trying to get away , had to battle with dh to cut the babysitting he kept on giving her the benefit of the doubt but to put a child in danger is unacceptable. I just can’t get passed it.

When ds was born she also had another tantrum because we didn’t let her name him and gave him a disgusting English name (according to her).

Honestly I’m not keen for more contact with dcs but dh still wants some only supervised contact. But I’m still quite angry. She’s done a few other bits too, like ruin DDs bday day out on asking to come, making us pay and then moaning and wanting to go home after an hour.

For context she doesn’t work, dh has paid for her since he was 17 years old. Chauffeured her around. What she wanted was me to move into her house and give up work and then buy a bigger house in the same area for us all to live in.

I guess what I’m asking for is how would you manage this, im happy to hear if im being pfb which is what she said I was but I don’t think I am

Am I being petty and unreasonable because I’m really struggling to move past how she treated dd and how she acted when ds was born?

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mumsie8 · 20/02/2022 15:05

No you're not.
But if your dh isn't or isn't prepared to support you and have your back through this then you've got a dh problem as well as a mil problem.

SheilaWilcox · 20/02/2022 15:06

Your DH needs to deal with her and if he won't, leave him.
I'm married to someone who won't stand up to his parents and it doesn't get any better.

YouMuckyDuck · 20/02/2022 15:06

lock the door and hide? Seriously though what kind of husband lets his mother treat his wife and child like that

DenholmElliot · 20/02/2022 15:08

I'd just go no contact with her

Bluffysummers · 20/02/2022 15:10

It causes arguments believe me! Not making excuses for dh but the emotional blackmail runs deep from birth, it’s been instilled from birth, the ‘you’re all I have’ he’s turned down jobs (pre me) before as it meant relocating and she asked him not to go (turned on the water works obviously).

Since ds was born she’s effectively permanently and damaged their relationship. Now dh wants once a month supervised contact for a few hours so he can’t be accused of anything by the wider family.

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Chely · 20/02/2022 15:14

That sounds awful.
I wouldn't have let her back in if I were you.

Bluffysummers · 20/02/2022 15:17

@Chely

That sounds awful. I wouldn't have let her back in if I were you.
Truthfully it’s what I want to do but dh still thinks some contact for now (providing no more outbursts) is the way forward. 1 hr once a month
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Haveyoubrushedyourteeth · 20/02/2022 15:17

I don't know where to even begin, but since you're in need of immediate responses for today I'd do a, "hello mil" make her a coffee and then focus on my children and leave dh to make conversation etc. Stay in the same room but don't really engage just play with your little ones.
When she's gone and today's hurdle is over you need to speak to DH. He doesn't get to put you or your children in situations where you are treated like crap. I'm a pushover and people pleaser, but there's no way on earth that I'd be having my children anywhere near someone like that unsupervised. If you can't do it for yourself do it for your dd, you're her voice and you must stick up for her. You're worth so much more than this.

ChargingBuck · 20/02/2022 15:17

I'm confused. This woman abused your DD - why is she allowed in your house, or anywhere near your children? Why does DH want this - can he articulate it, or is he so mired in the FOG he just feels he 'has' to appease MiL & the wider family?

I can't believe that his desire that he can’t be accused of anything by the wider family trumps his own little girl's fear response every time she sees her grandmother. Why is he insisting on putting DD through that?

Bluffysummers · 20/02/2022 15:20

She’ll never ever see them unsupervised, dh and I are on the same page with that now

We sort of had that convo earlier and he Said an hr once a month providing no more tantrums isn’t too much to ask and I do get where he’s coming from and yes I agree on paper but equally Confused

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Haveyoubrushedyourteeth · 20/02/2022 15:21

Just read your update and see your dh is trying, in his own way, to find the middle ground. I think once a month I'd be booking a Sunday lunch out somewhere with her. That way you're in control of how long it goes on for and hopefully she'll keep her unpleasant mouth shut if she's In public. Good luck OP.

Bluffysummers · 20/02/2022 15:22

@ChargingBuck

I'm confused. This woman abused your DD - why is she allowed in your house, or anywhere near your children? Why does DH want this - can he articulate it, or is he so mired in the FOG he just feels he 'has' to appease MiL & the wider family?

I can't believe that his desire that he can’t be accused of anything by the wider family trumps his own little girl's fear response every time she sees her grandmother. Why is he insisting on putting DD through that?

Interesting @ChargingBuck you’d see her behaviour as abuse? (Not goady I’m asking, I definitely think it was neglect and not good enough)

He’s definitely clouded in fog. I’ve not gone into his childhood but it’s intense and it started young

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jytdtysrht · 20/02/2022 15:26

She's a nasty racist. I wouldn't have her round. And I wouldn't give a fuck what the "wider family" thought. I cut the lot off.

Tonkerbea · 20/02/2022 15:26

FFS. Your MIL is abusive, you and your DH owe her nothing. Fuck what the wider family think! Get away from them and don't look back.

Honestly, I'd move away if it were me. I can't believe you and your DH put your daughter in that position. Repeatedly.

Onlyforcake · 20/02/2022 15:28

I'd take my children and go out. If DH wants to maintain a relationship with someone he abused my child then my children and I would be leaving. Seriously. I'd tell your DH to visit her at her house if he absolutely cannot do the decent thing and cut her out of your lives. I'd be looking to move further away too.

LittleOwl153 · 20/02/2022 15:30

Is he still paying for her? I know there are cultural issues of financing in Asian communities- but if he is then he is still pampering to her ways.

He needs to look at these jobs again and move away - a good couple of hours away.

In terms of the visit - do not leave them alone at all. If dd doesn't want to be part of it take her out of the room. She has clearly witnessed something scary if she's still reacting this way. Keep a very very close eye on ds.

ChargingBuck · 20/02/2022 15:32

@Bluffysummers of course it's abuse.
How many other people does DD fear so much that she cries & shouts "no no no" just at the sight of them?

I am so sorry your DH is trapped in the FOG of bad family dynamics. Apologies as I forgot the link in last post so here it is - outofthefog.website/toolbox-1/2015/11/17/fog-fear-obligation-guilt

LittleOwl153 · 20/02/2022 15:33

How old is dd? Is she old enough that she can go play in her room alone if need be to get out of the way? Only of course if you can be sure MIL can't get to her by using the excuse if going to the toilet etc.

Aquamarine1029 · 20/02/2022 15:34

I would never see her again. I'm shocked you have to ask. She's a nasty, horrible person.

Bluffysummers · 20/02/2022 15:34

Well we aren’t moving further away, it’s just not an option.

I’m nc with the whole family and DH is severely LC there is a huge cultural baggage and FOG that means NC will be hard and a process for him.

The baby sitting stopped pronto because it was bad, i can’t lie. I did have to battle with dh to make him see my side (which is clearly the same side as all of you have) . I felt gaslit by her too in this time by her saying it was all in my head.

In his own way dh is trying to find a middle ground as a last chance saloon, i do have mixed feelings about it though

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Feedingthebirds1 · 20/02/2022 15:35

If your DH is genuinely on board with an hour once a month and it doesn't start creeping back up to what it was, he's come a very long way in terms of changing from the way he was brought up. And I think that should be recognised for what he's done, so although I wouldn't like it and would prefer no contact at all, I'd go with it.

Make sure that supervised contact means that you are both present for the full hour. Don't let him leave it to you, make sure you've both been to the loo just before the hour starts. Give it a couple of months and see how you feel it's gone after that. By then your DH might realise it's come round to NC if it's not working and still causing major problems.

Bluffysummers · 20/02/2022 15:37

@LittleOwl153

Is he still paying for her? I know there are cultural issues of financing in Asian communities- but if he is then he is still pampering to her ways.

He needs to look at these jobs again and move away - a good couple of hours away.

In terms of the visit - do not leave them alone at all. If dd doesn't want to be part of it take her out of the room. She has clearly witnessed something scary if she's still reacting this way. Keep a very very close eye on ds.

He doesn’t really pay anymore only for sky, his dad pays. I put the pressure on dh to make his dad step up and finance his own polygamous lifestyle.

Dd is in the kitchen colouring with me. She calmed down but she doesn’t want to interact with her or get too close. Again v odd

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Franca123 · 20/02/2022 15:37

No way would she set foot in my house or be anywhere near my children. He can go over to hers if he wants. Who cares what the wider family thinks. Your husband needs liberating from them. Not to mention your poor children. They shouldn't be around people like that full stop.

Bluffysummers · 20/02/2022 15:38

@Feedingthebirds1

If your DH is genuinely on board with an hour once a month and it doesn't start creeping back up to what it was, he's come a very long way in terms of changing from the way he was brought up. And I think that should be recognised for what he's done, so although I wouldn't like it and would prefer no contact at all, I'd go with it.

Make sure that supervised contact means that you are both present for the full hour. Don't let him leave it to you, make sure you've both been to the loo just before the hour starts. Give it a couple of months and see how you feel it's gone after that. By then your DH might realise it's come round to NC if it's not working and still causing major problems.

It was his idea @Feedingthebirds1 one hr once a month max. He has come a long way, i honestly can’t describe the level of emotional abuse that’s been drummed into him from all angles since he could talk
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GabriellaMontez · 20/02/2022 15:39

When you say 'force fed'. Do you actually mean this? Because if so, yes that's abuse and I wouldn't have her in the house.