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Can’t forgive MIL aibu?

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Bluffysummers · 20/02/2022 15:02

For transparency I’ve also posted in relationships but I’m posting here for traffic because she’s expected around in the next 15 mins.

I really need some tips on how to deal with my MIL, she’s visiting today and honestly my patience with her is so thin the thought of her visiting makes me tense.

Just so y’all don’t think I’m one of those mean DIL this is why.

I’m a white Muslim dh is south Asian. We met fell in love and wanted to marry. The diatribe I’ve had from her about this in the beginning was unreal I’ve been called a kafir (disbeliever) because I’m white, told I have no family values and that I’m a gold digger. I continued to make an effort and put all this down to ignorance, she’d basically be hot and cold, one day nice and the next she’d refuse to engage with me and let her in her. By making an effort I mean taking her on days out, treating her to lunch, cooking dinner for her etc. I felt it was thrown back in my face and it did hurt my feelings. It came to a head over 2 things, a family wedding (split strictly men women) and none do the women would let me sit down for food, including her, I’d approach a chair and they’d put their bag there or say this seat is taken etc. It was very mean girls ‘you can’t sit with us’ and then secondly when dh and I had plans with my parents and she didn’t like it so pretended to her extended family she was dying and got them all to call us and basically give us a telling off for leaving her alone. From then I could take no more and went NC. There is more she had a temper tantrum when we bought our house because it was too far from her (20’mins).

I swept this all under the rug and went clean slate when dc was born. She wanted to babysit dc when we wfh, wanted to actually begged. She’d come to our house to do it. Behind our backs she’s been making nasty comments about our house, of course it got back to me but the big issue for me was she was basically neglecting dd. DD is a v warm little girl and loves everyone but she actively hates MIL, she sees her and will burst into tears. V strange. At first we thought it was the language barrier but she’s met other people who speak no English and is fine with them. By contrast when she sees MIL even via face time she bursts into tears and cries no no no. Often MIL would leave her in a soiled nappy (a few times we’d give the benefit of the doubt as we’ve all missed one here and there ), would sit in doors all day, no Interaction with dd I’d come down and she’d just be watching her tv shows (mil) and dd would be playing alone, wouldn’t open windows when it’s hot, wouldn’t fill up her drink, I was working through lunch once and then heard an argument and MIL behind dh back when he popped to the loo forcefed dd spicy food and it triggered a huge food aversion (didn’t even apolgise, just said well she needs to know she’s Asian not white). When dd was learning to walk heard her scream and was on the floor crying when we came down, MIL refused to say what happened, managed to get it out of her she slipped and hit her head she wouldn’t say what surface she fell onto (tile big problem for under / carpet not so much) . Dd was also so unhappy, crying and crying banging on doors trying to get away , had to battle with dh to cut the babysitting he kept on giving her the benefit of the doubt but to put a child in danger is unacceptable. I just can’t get passed it.

When ds was born she also had another tantrum because we didn’t let her name him and gave him a disgusting English name (according to her).

Honestly I’m not keen for more contact with dcs but dh still wants some only supervised contact. But I’m still quite angry. She’s done a few other bits too, like ruin DDs bday day out on asking to come, making us pay and then moaning and wanting to go home after an hour.

For context she doesn’t work, dh has paid for her since he was 17 years old. Chauffeured her around. What she wanted was me to move into her house and give up work and then buy a bigger house in the same area for us all to live in.

I guess what I’m asking for is how would you manage this, im happy to hear if im being pfb which is what she said I was but I don’t think I am

Am I being petty and unreasonable because I’m really struggling to move past how she treated dd and how she acted when ds was born?

OP posts:
user7643789 · 21/02/2022 05:41

@Rosieposie101

Shocked to see posters saying her disgusting behaviour is normal in South Asian cultures! My South Asian angel of a mother in law would be so furious and hurt to read this 😳 My mother in law is very hand on, changes nappies, washes the babies, feeds them, plays constantly with them. She'd never behave like OPs MIL! And she never leaves windows closed when it's not appropriate for the weather 😳 And my MILs behaviour is very typical of the grandmother/grandchild relationships in the South Asian country we live in, grandmother's usually raise the grandchildren while the mother works (or if unemployed, while the mother takes care of household jobs). So OPs MIL is not at all normal in my experience.
That's your experience and has no relevance here.

OP'S MIL is also not racist. It's racial prejudice most likely coming from fear.

user7643789 · 21/02/2022 05:42

@Pinksweets

If you’re prejudiced against someone based on their race/skin colour then you are racist. I don’t understand why people like *@Why2why* think non-whites can’t be racist. I am biracial and ALL races can be racist. I’ve had racist remarks from people of different races.
Because power is involved in racism. I'm not going to derail the thread further. There's a ton of information out there and there is a "Black Mumsnetters" forum.
user7643789 · 21/02/2022 05:44

@Bluffysummers sounds like MIL will eventually get bored of these hourly visits when she notices your DD is totally uninterested.

Seema1234 · 21/02/2022 06:16

I think 1 hour a month with supervision is a compromise. But I'd be very clear that one step out of line and it's NC.

I don't agree with the PP who said she's not racist and it's racial prejudice 'probably out of fear'. That sounds like someone making excuses for racism to me Hmm. She's racist. She's also generally unpleasant by the sounds of it.

Rustylee681 · 21/02/2022 06:30

OMG!!! Girl your DHneeds to get some backbone and sort out this MIL from hell!!! He married you not her, if not I'd leave him because things won't change, may get worse even, if he loves you he will put your feelings first.

Seema1234 · 21/02/2022 06:32

That's your experience and has no relevance here

Well, yes it does. I think you need to educate yourself on what a forum is. People share experiences and opinions. That's the point. Who are you to tell someone what is 'relevant'? Hmm

Ddot · 21/02/2022 06:58

If husband changes his mind about contact get them

Bluffysummers · 21/02/2022 07:47

[quote user7643789]@Bluffysummers sounds like MIL will eventually get bored of these hourly visits when she notices your DD is totally uninterested. [/quote]
@user7643789 the coming from fear thing, I’m not sure how her actions are from a place of fear. I mean initially perhaps, but she’s also got some quite clearly racist opinions on black people (as there is clear colorism in some communities and that the black community isn’t ‘in power’- this is clear racism right?) I’m not really comfortable ascribing her views/ actions to fear.

She’s lived in the uk for over 30 years and never had any trouble, but ok she’s been fed stereotypes from the community on white people so we can attribute her initial reaction to fear. But if been around for nearly 7 years and she’s got to know me, I’ve ferried her to medical appointments, helped her out financially etc I don’t think her saying I’m a gold digger after all of that is fear, think it’s just being nasty and finding any old beating stick.

I’ve not said I’ve been a victim of racism, i accept that the racism is prejudice + power and in the wider sense no bame community in the UK has the power to be racist against white people. But I do feel like I was bullied and even though I’m no with the fam, I still continue to be through rumours and gossip. Im not convinced the motivation for this was fear, the stuff at the wedding how is that fear?

OP posts:
PiperPosey · 21/02/2022 08:04

Here's my advice.
She can see your children 1x for lunch a month. But I would advise you NOT to go along. Let your Husband supervise her. ( tell him that you are trusting him with this task)
If the child cries when she sees her than you must demand that child be removed immediately and brought home.
If the child cries when told they will be seeing their grandmother and cries husband should NOT take her.
OUT OF THE MOUTH OF BABES!
Inform your husband that is the only way you will NOT go No Contact.

PiperPosey · 21/02/2022 08:07

or..
YOU GO NC...with children
Husband can see her 1x month Until he gets a backbone and joins you.

She sounds wretched.

PopsicleHustler · 21/02/2022 08:33

I cant believe she calls you Kaffir either. No Muslim should call another that. Its actually haram to do so, sister.

I would honestly keep this woman away from me , if it was me.

If anyone called me that I would lose my mind.

Bluffysummers · 21/02/2022 09:04

I’m not sure not going myself is the best option, My baby is still breastfeeding firstly and also I’m unable to witness first hand what’s going on and enforce dd is taken away if becoming ‘too upset’, don’t get me wrong I don’t want to spend time with her but if it’s just my husband a new born and a toddler at a soft play, or a cafe it kinda goes without saying MIL will be interacting more with the kids

OP posts:
Puzzledandpissedoff · 21/02/2022 09:22

About involving social services (and I understand your concerns if you chose to split, OP) even if MIL was outright attacking DD it's one thing to forbid contact and quite another to stop it
It appears likely MIL would regard SS as being in the wrong - even that they had no authority over her community - and that she'd expect the DH to bend to her demands instead, something he might easily do

Quite obviously this has to be OP's own choice, but if it's to stay there'll be more pressures on DD from the very traditional community as she grows older, especially being a girl
Something to bear in mind perhaps ...

GizmosEveningBath · 21/02/2022 09:32

You really are between a rock and a hard place. It's very easy for posters to say leave your DH, but then the MIL will most likely get unlimited access to the DCs. Continue to stress that it is once a month only and either he goes alone or go to soft play and take the DCs away for the entire time. Document absolutely everything, times, dates etc. You say he wouldn't move away, has he given any reason why? Make sure you keep your financial independence OP, start a fuck off fund if you haven't already.

Bluffysummers · 21/02/2022 10:17

The social services and the police idea is ludicrous and stupid, there’s no evidence that any abuse occurred, a child crying isn’t evidence of that. I don’t even think they’d advise that she went on any classes for that. The suggestions that I was complicit in abuse are also stupid.

Dd isn’t involved in the community in any real way this one hr contact would be pretty much it.

It’s not that just dh doesnt want to move away, I don’t either. We own our home and it’s one of the only affordable areas where we live that isn’t awful. It’s also commutable for our jobs so we aren’t moving to the opposite end of the country. Mil can’t drive anyway so it’s not like she can drop in

OP posts:
crazeekat · 21/02/2022 10:51

OP how did the visit go yesterday?

crazeekat · 21/02/2022 10:51

Sorry just read it there 🙈🙈

KindredKeely · 21/02/2022 11:05

well i'm not saying her abuse (and yes, neglect, force feeding, not changing nappies IS abuse) is ok, but honestly, your DH is the key to controlling all of this.

without his support and agreement it sounds like she's always going to be a force in your life.

short of divorcing your DH, this seems to be the life you married into. it's one reason i'd run in the opposite direction if that were the life mh DH expected of me (being abusive to his future wife is ok, being racist, sucking money from his working to fund her lifestyle, expecting you to ferry her around). it sounds like a fucking awful, small life.

i wouldn't even want my DD and DS to be exposed to that type of expectation or role model.

but even if you left DH, the in laws are in your life now, and permanently.

horrid situation.

Redwinestillfine · 21/02/2022 11:17

I would be fuming bwith dh. They basically doorsteppe you. Personally I would have taken dd out for her visit to show them changing the venue is not acceptable. How are you going to stop them doing it again?

billy1966 · 21/02/2022 12:31

@Redwinestillfine

I would be fuming bwith dh. They basically doorsteppe you. Personally I would have taken dd out for her visit to show them changing the venue is not acceptable. How are you going to stop them doing it again?
Agree.

Your husband, by his actions in pulling a fast one, has shown himself to be utterly untrustworthy.

His mother comes ahead of her abusing a child.

OP, protect yourself and protect your daughter.

Log it with your GP.
Tell your GP that months later your daughter is still very distressed.

Help yourself and help your daughter, by logging this with your GP.

This woman is prepared to harm your child, given the chance.

PiperPosey · 21/02/2022 12:45

@Bluffysummers I read your initial post. You said that she actively hates MIL, she sees her and will burst into tears.
I wouldn't even advise that you even send her. Your husband can go alone. I would never have any more contact with her. I would never allow my children around her. She has made her bed now she has to lie in it.
She can bitch and moan all she wants to your DH, but NOT to you. You never have to see that witch again. Don't talk on the phone, text, etc. You can inform your husband what you have decided and stick to it. You do NOT need her poison in your life. She has treated you like crap! Your husband may argue about it, but tell him that it is your final decision. PERIOD. You will feel so free.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 21/02/2022 12:47

Go NC and do not every let her babysit again. She sounds vile.

Your DH needs to tell her why.

PiperPosey · 21/02/2022 12:51

@GreenFingersWouldBeHandy Absolutely agree 100%
and never allowed in the home again! EVER...

mummykel16 · 21/02/2022 19:03
Hmm
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