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AIBU?

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Can’t forgive MIL aibu?

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Bluffysummers · 20/02/2022 15:02

For transparency I’ve also posted in relationships but I’m posting here for traffic because she’s expected around in the next 15 mins.

I really need some tips on how to deal with my MIL, she’s visiting today and honestly my patience with her is so thin the thought of her visiting makes me tense.

Just so y’all don’t think I’m one of those mean DIL this is why.

I’m a white Muslim dh is south Asian. We met fell in love and wanted to marry. The diatribe I’ve had from her about this in the beginning was unreal I’ve been called a kafir (disbeliever) because I’m white, told I have no family values and that I’m a gold digger. I continued to make an effort and put all this down to ignorance, she’d basically be hot and cold, one day nice and the next she’d refuse to engage with me and let her in her. By making an effort I mean taking her on days out, treating her to lunch, cooking dinner for her etc. I felt it was thrown back in my face and it did hurt my feelings. It came to a head over 2 things, a family wedding (split strictly men women) and none do the women would let me sit down for food, including her, I’d approach a chair and they’d put their bag there or say this seat is taken etc. It was very mean girls ‘you can’t sit with us’ and then secondly when dh and I had plans with my parents and she didn’t like it so pretended to her extended family she was dying and got them all to call us and basically give us a telling off for leaving her alone. From then I could take no more and went NC. There is more she had a temper tantrum when we bought our house because it was too far from her (20’mins).

I swept this all under the rug and went clean slate when dc was born. She wanted to babysit dc when we wfh, wanted to actually begged. She’d come to our house to do it. Behind our backs she’s been making nasty comments about our house, of course it got back to me but the big issue for me was she was basically neglecting dd. DD is a v warm little girl and loves everyone but she actively hates MIL, she sees her and will burst into tears. V strange. At first we thought it was the language barrier but she’s met other people who speak no English and is fine with them. By contrast when she sees MIL even via face time she bursts into tears and cries no no no. Often MIL would leave her in a soiled nappy (a few times we’d give the benefit of the doubt as we’ve all missed one here and there ), would sit in doors all day, no Interaction with dd I’d come down and she’d just be watching her tv shows (mil) and dd would be playing alone, wouldn’t open windows when it’s hot, wouldn’t fill up her drink, I was working through lunch once and then heard an argument and MIL behind dh back when he popped to the loo forcefed dd spicy food and it triggered a huge food aversion (didn’t even apolgise, just said well she needs to know she’s Asian not white). When dd was learning to walk heard her scream and was on the floor crying when we came down, MIL refused to say what happened, managed to get it out of her she slipped and hit her head she wouldn’t say what surface she fell onto (tile big problem for under / carpet not so much) . Dd was also so unhappy, crying and crying banging on doors trying to get away , had to battle with dh to cut the babysitting he kept on giving her the benefit of the doubt but to put a child in danger is unacceptable. I just can’t get passed it.

When ds was born she also had another tantrum because we didn’t let her name him and gave him a disgusting English name (according to her).

Honestly I’m not keen for more contact with dcs but dh still wants some only supervised contact. But I’m still quite angry. She’s done a few other bits too, like ruin DDs bday day out on asking to come, making us pay and then moaning and wanting to go home after an hour.

For context she doesn’t work, dh has paid for her since he was 17 years old. Chauffeured her around. What she wanted was me to move into her house and give up work and then buy a bigger house in the same area for us all to live in.

I guess what I’m asking for is how would you manage this, im happy to hear if im being pfb which is what she said I was but I don’t think I am

Am I being petty and unreasonable because I’m really struggling to move past how she treated dd and how she acted when ds was born?

OP posts:
MeridianB · 20/02/2022 17:46

Your DH persuaded you to allow one hour once a month in a coffee shop and then immediately broke that boundary and invited this vile woman into your home!

Can he get some counselling?

It sounds like so many bad things have happened that there is nothing to salvage with MIL. I wouldn’t want her near me or my children. Id suggest to DH that the bridges have been well and truly burned and he should see her alone.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 20/02/2022 17:51

it’s 30+ years of emotional abuse to unpick

But before anything can be "unpicked" he'd need to realise just how much of a problem this is, and from what you've said that's unlikely - ditto your hope to "make dh see it my way", which he may simply never do

So the question has to be whether you're prepared to live like this and, worse still, to have it foisted on your DD?

WickedWitchOfTheEast87 · 20/02/2022 17:52

@Bluffysummers you're mil is nasty, abusive and racist! Your DH is a wimp for pandering to her and allowing her behaviour, your dd reactions to this witch speak volumes OP and I wouldn't be allowing her into my home where you and your children should feel safe! Why can't dh go visit them alone if he feels so obligated to remain in contact?

Also ask your DH how he would feel if your family made openly nasty racist comments about him? I'm sure he'd start WW3 and be absolutely furious yet he allows his mother to do it to you and you're expected to have this witch in your home upsetting you and your kids! I'd have fucked off moved far away and filed for a divorce by now.

Iputthetrampintrampoline · 20/02/2022 17:57

OP If you cannot protect your own children who do you expect to? If you do not sort this out once and for all your children will be fucked up beyond belief and if you know this and do nothing for the sake of Mr fucked up who your married to and his wants and needs then that will make you as guilty as MIL. I am sorry I have no wish to hurt you but you are all those kids have so that makes you responsible so you have no choice but to take action to protect them even if your dh disagrees,he may be too far emeshed to see what you do so it is all down to you, Get your big girl pants on and be the protector your children need you to be,You have no choice.If you do nothing to keep the peace even to 1 hr a month you may as well send the kids to her, Would you leave your kids with an abuser because he is a nice man sometimes?No you wouldnt yu would protect those children to within an inch of your life, Whats the difference?? Why is it such a dilema?? You know your dd has been abused by this woman why does she get repeated second chances? She deserves nothing.Your chidren even maybe at the sake of your marriage deserve everything, Up to you...but I know what I woud do.

Ddot · 20/02/2022 18:00

MIL is a racist, If you treated her and her family this way you would be vilified. To act this way to you and your daughter is disgusting, (like a piece of trash) I do hope you can sort this but I very much doubt you will. Once a racist!

goldfluffyclouds · 20/02/2022 18:00

Op - you are doing well here in the face of some people who do not probably realise that if you split from your husband you will be forced to handover your children for unsupervised time with him and if that has happened he will be back in the clutches of his mother.
Have a calm chat with him that he pushed the boundaries today in springing on a visit to your house. If the storm was enough reason to stop a cafe visit then it was enough reason to stop any visit - it will not be allowed to happen again. If he springs it on you - then immediately pack up the kids in the car and be out of the house, or if she turns up - then you leave with the kids.
Select a place where your daughter can easily choose to be away from MIL - but make sure you can be with her and baby son in the carrier with you and they can stay sat at the table or bench. This may need some working out and planning.
Big discussions about lifestyle and approach with your husband - he chose to be with you for love, now he needs to show that backbone and continue that journey. Engineer time with friends and family that are similar in outlook - keep finding excuses to not spend time with those old traditional family or friends that might be whispering in his ear. Absolutely share the taboo that MIL fed your daughter spicy food - don't keep it a secret.
It horrifies me that women are forced to handover children to abusive ex partners and that some have ended up in jail because they have refused to do that. For that reason I would never be in a hurry to destroy a marriage. However you do need to reassert yourself in the relationship and not allow his and his families gaslighting to convince you that their behaviour is ok or acceptable for cultural reasons.
Grey rock is useful - no need to be dramatic but just keep dropping/ignoring the people that are a bad or negative influence and make sure your husband is doing the same.

autumncrisp · 20/02/2022 18:01

Your putting your husbands need for his mother's approval before the needs on your child. He'd be gone in a heartbeat, no fucks given. I'd also be taking it to court to ensure that they don't get contact unless supervised. Walk away. Your marriage isn't more important that the safety and wellbeing of your child. What you choose to put up with as an adult is your choice, your child doesn't have the safe freedom of making that decision for themselfs.

user7643789 · 20/02/2022 18:04

@jytdtysrht

She's a nasty racist. I wouldn't have her round. And I wouldn't give a fuck what the "wider family" thought. I cut the lot off.
She may be a lot of things but I see no racism in the OP.
Jewel52 · 20/02/2022 18:11

I think this is more Clear cut for those from a non-Asian background. My ex DH grew up with a mum with a narcissistic personality disorder who behaved in similar ways to your MIL and he’s never managed to fully detach as she knows what buttons to press. In contrast I feel like your DH is taking steps towards that. As your dd gets older and can voice her feelings towards her grandma, that’ll hopefully put the final nail in the coffin. Just maintain the limited supervised contact in the meantime.

MammaMacgill87 · 20/02/2022 18:12

For on hour once a month, when she arrived I'd be dressed packed up and ready to go with dd to the park or out to lunch. As she walks in just say this is the plan let's go. If she's always in a public setting she's more likey to behave and in all honesty will probably get bored of goading you. If you must stay in the house leave your husband to do all the small talk and you make it very obvious you are engagiing with dd. NEVER let that hour be you two alone!!

Bluffysummers · 20/02/2022 18:16

No racism? Saying I’ve no family values because I’m white, calling me a gold digger because I m white or a kafir because I’m white? Definitely felt prejudiced

OP posts:
user7643789 · 20/02/2022 18:20

@Bluffysummers

No racism? Saying I’ve no family values because I’m white, calling me a gold digger because I m white or a kafir because I’m white? Definitely felt prejudiced
Prejudice not racism.
sadpapercourtesan · 20/02/2022 18:20

I have no contact with my own mother, so perhaps it is more clear-cut for me - but there is no force on this earth that would make me expose my child to this vicious, hateful woman OP.

Your DH needs to grow up and be a parent, not a child. His responsibility and his loyalty should be to his child (and his wife!) not his mother, where those loyalties are in conflict. And it's entirely her fault that they are in conflict.

I think this is a hill to die on. I would have that woman out of my life and my daughter's and DH would have a choice to make.

Bluffysummers · 20/02/2022 18:21

That’s why I said prejudice. It was definitely race based prejudice

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Ludo19 · 20/02/2022 18:22

What @Migrainesbythedozen said 100% this.

Your little girl banging on the door to get out of your MIL way is truly a disturbing read OP.

user7643789 · 20/02/2022 18:25

@Bluffysummers

That’s why I said prejudice. It was definitely race based prejudice
Sure. Just not racism as pp said.
CushionSpiral · 20/02/2022 18:26

She has abused your children, doing it with you in the house. Her behaviour at the wedding was just plain nasty.
Well done on agreeing low contact, stop payi for her, she has a husband.

If your DH ever wants to let her have them on their own then you need to consider if your marriage is worth it. Your DD’s actions are screaming at you to keep her safe

Bluffysummers · 20/02/2022 18:27

@UniversalAunt when she finally acknowledged the food was hot she said well xyz used to eat chillis (a male cousin of a comparable age) used to eat chills she needs to know she’s Asian and not white so she needs chillis.

My sneaking suspicion is this is because dd is very fair and white passing (nc15, blond and blue eyes) so she visibly looks non Asian. She also didn’t like her name as it was ‘too English’ (it’s not)

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HyacynthBucket · 20/02/2022 18:30

I am glad you are getting great advice on here, OP about protecting DD and DS. I am concerned too that you are the subject of racist abuse from this awful woman and that you seem expected to put up with it. Also that she is living in the UK but she does not speak English. I guess from that that she has made no effort to integrate. But above all she is in a polygamous mariage, which is illegal in the UK. How does she justify all this?

Ddot · 20/02/2022 18:34

So if you called her names because she wasnt, say a Christian and excluded her at family meetings, told her all the seats were full. Informed her that because of her colour she had twisted values, would you be considered a racist. Of cause you would and rightly so but because your white it's not racism (load of bollocks)

use257 · 20/02/2022 18:36

Have you posted about her before? I remember you asking if you should stop letting her look after your DD. I'm sorry she's continued in this way, sounds like it's just who she is as a person-incredibly toxic. No advice but just wanted to say you've handled it very well. Hope things improve for you soon

turnaroundtime · 20/02/2022 18:43

@Ozanj

I am south asian and nothing you have said seems abnormal to me. Indian mother in laws don’t change nappies, they don’t open windows (fresh air is considered unhealthy in winter), they won’t interact with children because independant play is considered important. But feeding grown up food to a child that young is definitely a red flag - in all the Indian cultures babies and toddlers have special foods. She would know about this because she would have fed them to her child (or her mil would have). In your position I would be sharing this nugget to all the aunties her age and older because they would definitely see it as child abuse (feeding babies chillis is considered so, so wrong)
But if they won't change nappies, how do they babysit? Are you seriously suggesting they just leave babies in soiled nappies for hours? Overnight?
Heronwatcher · 20/02/2022 18:44

No way. She’s clearly got some mental health issues. If your DD is that terrified of her then she shouldn’t even have to see her, especially not in her safe space (her home). If your DH wants to go and see her himself at her house then that’s fine, but you need to protect your kids here. I am really concerned about what has happened to your DD that you don’t know about- making her keep seeing this woman is just cruel, plus where is the upside? Your DH needs some counselling but stick to your guns here.

Bluffysummers · 20/02/2022 18:45

@HyacynthBucket

I am glad you are getting great advice on here, OP about protecting DD and DS. I am concerned too that you are the subject of racist abuse from this awful woman and that you seem expected to put up with it. Also that she is living in the UK but she does not speak English. I guess from that that she has made no effort to integrate. But above all she is in a polygamous mariage, which is illegal in the UK. How does she justify all this?
Yes the advice has been great! I do appreciate that some of the cultural stuff is v hard to understand unless you are of the same or similar background so it’s v hard for a lot of posters.

You’re right she’s made 0 effort to integrate, at all. Some of it is education level, she’s completely illiterate so can’t read or write in L1 so learning of a second language would be very hard. However this does serve to manipulate dh. So the polygamy actually isn’t her fault, she was completely unaware of it for a long time and due to culture she’d never divorce FIL. How it’s been done isn’t illegal though, it’s immoral for sure but he’s only religiously married to his other wives it’s legally the same as being in an open marriage or having a mistress. I’m not making excuses for her but in that sense she’s a victim too and is vulnerable

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user7643789 · 20/02/2022 18:49

@Ddot

So if you called her names because she wasnt, say a Christian and excluded her at family meetings, told her all the seats were full. Informed her that because of her colour she had twisted values, would you be considered a racist. Of cause you would and rightly so but because your white it's not racism (load of bollocks)
You have no understanding of racism. 🤦🏿‍♀️
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