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Would u let your 1 year old travel abroad without you?

182 replies

Roserm · 26/01/2022 22:16

Hi

Really need some advice.

My abusive ex partner has requested to have our 1 year old for 2 weeks in the summer holidays and all of the other school holidays this year.

We currently have a court order in place since July 2021. This states he is to have contact every fortnight for 3 nights and is not to remove her from the country without my consent.

I’ve suggested he have her for 1 week at most at any one time to begin with as she currently only sees him for 3 nights every fortnight. I think a gradual increase is important rather than going from 3 nights to 2 weeks. That’s a long time for a baby who won’t really understand what’s going on. Is this unreasonable?

I also suggested we half the holidays. He thinks this is unfair as his contact already falls in the holiday period and this shouldn’t be included. He feels he should have the holidays on top of this.

He has also stated that he is planning a family vacation to take our child out of the country for 2 weeks which I am not in agreement with. He stated that unless there’s a medical reason he will be taking her.

My reasons for not being in agreement with this just yet is that in order for us to make this arrangement between ourselves work, we need good communication and trust and respect. And we don’t have this just yet.

There would also be no legal enforcement put in place if we arrange this between ourselves and this scares me because even with a court order he just does what he wants

Also considering our child’s age, if she is to go abroad with him, I don’t feel assured he would give me correct contact details or information about where she’s going and flight details etc which I think are very reasonable requests. I think any parent would appreciate this information and don’t see any reason why the other parent wouldn’t share it with them.

He has consistently been hours late for handovers which I think is really disrespectful towards me and my time. He has constantly requested to change the order every week last minute to suit him. I have tried to accommodated where best I can and have done more than I needed to already.

He recently had issues with providing me details of where our child is staying during contact with him without any good reason and then gave me false information even though the court order states he is to inform me where she is staying before contact. I couldn’t understand this and thought it was really unnecessary to do that and felt we went backwards in progress.

He also stated a couple times that he may not be able to return our child to my care when agreed and tried to negotiate keeping her which lead me having to seek legal advice and threaten him with legal action in which he then returned her.

I don’t want to feel intimidated into letting her go abroad when I feel this way or giving in to the holidays and not getting to spend any of that time with her and our family but I feel like he is trying to achieve that.

What do I do? I need some advice.

I don’t want to communicate with him anymore about it because I feel like it’s getting no where.

Do I stop replying to his emails and seek legal advice again?

Or am I being unreasonable, if so how?

Thanks I’m advanced.

OP posts:
RememberThePenguins · 26/01/2022 22:19

Does he have family abroad etc? If so there is no way I'd let him take your child abroad. He might not bring them back.

Santahasjoinedww · 26/01/2022 22:22

Legal advice every time.
You really can't reason with such people..

Goatsaregreat · 26/01/2022 22:23

Which country is he looking to take her to OP? Not wishing to frighten you but there are some places where you might never be able to get her back from.

Roserm · 26/01/2022 22:24

Thank you so much, I think that’s what I’m going to do. I’m finding it really hard to manage on my own

OP posts:
N4ish · 26/01/2022 22:24

100% you need to get legal advice. There’s a very strong chance your child wouldn’t be returned to you if he takes her abroad.

Roserm · 26/01/2022 22:25

Hi, yes he has family in Nigeria.. he hasn’t told me where he wants to take her..

OP posts:
SlB09 · 26/01/2022 22:25

Nope, 2 weeks at one year old when your primary carer and he has the background he does. Legal advice or mediator and focus on what's best for the child

Santahasjoinedww · 26/01/2022 22:25

Keep the court order enforced. Every step of it. Or it wasn't worth getting in the first place. It is to keep your dd as safe as possible remember..

HollowTalk · 26/01/2022 22:25

No way on this earth. Never.

user1493494961 · 26/01/2022 22:26

Can you not just stick to the 3 nights every fortnight?

Roserm · 26/01/2022 22:26

Thank you, I’m going to email my solicitor.

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funinthesun19 · 26/01/2022 22:28

Not a chance I would allow that. Especially in your circumstances and what op said re not bringing her back.

funinthesun19 · 26/01/2022 22:28

PP not op

Goatsaregreat · 26/01/2022 22:28

Re Nigeria and child abduction - these are experts. It looks quite difficult legally OP:

www.reunite.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Nigeria-Country-Guide-Oct-2020.pdf

Sapphire387 · 26/01/2022 22:28

Does your daughter have a passport? Get her one, make sure you keep it.

Thatsplentyjack · 26/01/2022 22:29

No, he gets oy what the court order states. Let him take you back to court. They are unlikely to give him 2 full weeks access at a time.
Does your child have a passport?

AliceW89 · 26/01/2022 22:29

Agree with PP. Stick exactly to the court ruling. 3 nights per fortnight and nothing else. I wouldn’t humour giving anything extra, but certainly not without legal advice. Leaving the county would be a categoric no. If he doesn’t like it, let him go down the legal channels.

Why are school holidays important when she is not even school age?

spotcheck · 26/01/2022 22:30

@Roserm

Hi, yes he has family in Nigeria.. he hasn’t told me where he wants to take her..
Dear god no. You'd never get her back.

I wonder if it's possible to get her a passport before he does, and if it is possible to flag up on it that she isn't allowed out of the country with anyone except you?

If not, I wonder what those little chips are for?

shouldistop · 26/01/2022 22:30

Get your child a passport now. Do not allow him to take your baby abroad.

PinkiOcelot · 26/01/2022 22:30

God no. She’s far too young and even if she wasn’t, I would still be very apprehensive.

MichelleScarn · 26/01/2022 22:31

All the nos. If she doesn't have a passport I'd get one ASAP. And speak to a solicitor about this definitely.

isitmean · 26/01/2022 22:32

Absolutely not! I hope you work something out with your solicitor.

As PP said please please get get a passport and do not let him have it!

BridStar · 26/01/2022 22:32

He doesn't exactly sound like hands-on dad if the year, so it's highly likely he's planning an abduction and to leave her with family. You'd be unlikely to get her back and need to do whatever it takes to get that court order enforced and his threats taken seriously.

Thehop · 26/01/2022 22:33

Get her a passport and keep it with you.

What if he decides not to return her?

Nope no way.

Doyoumind · 26/01/2022 22:33

If you have a CAO in theory he can't legally take her out of the country anyway. Apply for a passport for her and keep it. If the CAO states she lives with you then the passport can too.

Don't agree to the holiday. A court is highly unlikely to grant it anyway. You are being reasonable to offer a week. It's age appropriate and sensible if she's never had more than 3 days away from you.

It's really hard but I've been dealing with a man like this for years and you must just remain perfectly reasonable at all times but ignore his unreasonable behaviour and stick to your guns. It's really important because giving in on anything doesn't stop it, it just makes things worse.