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Would u let your 1 year old travel abroad without you?

182 replies

Roserm · 26/01/2022 22:16

Hi

Really need some advice.

My abusive ex partner has requested to have our 1 year old for 2 weeks in the summer holidays and all of the other school holidays this year.

We currently have a court order in place since July 2021. This states he is to have contact every fortnight for 3 nights and is not to remove her from the country without my consent.

I’ve suggested he have her for 1 week at most at any one time to begin with as she currently only sees him for 3 nights every fortnight. I think a gradual increase is important rather than going from 3 nights to 2 weeks. That’s a long time for a baby who won’t really understand what’s going on. Is this unreasonable?

I also suggested we half the holidays. He thinks this is unfair as his contact already falls in the holiday period and this shouldn’t be included. He feels he should have the holidays on top of this.

He has also stated that he is planning a family vacation to take our child out of the country for 2 weeks which I am not in agreement with. He stated that unless there’s a medical reason he will be taking her.

My reasons for not being in agreement with this just yet is that in order for us to make this arrangement between ourselves work, we need good communication and trust and respect. And we don’t have this just yet.

There would also be no legal enforcement put in place if we arrange this between ourselves and this scares me because even with a court order he just does what he wants

Also considering our child’s age, if she is to go abroad with him, I don’t feel assured he would give me correct contact details or information about where she’s going and flight details etc which I think are very reasonable requests. I think any parent would appreciate this information and don’t see any reason why the other parent wouldn’t share it with them.

He has consistently been hours late for handovers which I think is really disrespectful towards me and my time. He has constantly requested to change the order every week last minute to suit him. I have tried to accommodated where best I can and have done more than I needed to already.

He recently had issues with providing me details of where our child is staying during contact with him without any good reason and then gave me false information even though the court order states he is to inform me where she is staying before contact. I couldn’t understand this and thought it was really unnecessary to do that and felt we went backwards in progress.

He also stated a couple times that he may not be able to return our child to my care when agreed and tried to negotiate keeping her which lead me having to seek legal advice and threaten him with legal action in which he then returned her.

I don’t want to feel intimidated into letting her go abroad when I feel this way or giving in to the holidays and not getting to spend any of that time with her and our family but I feel like he is trying to achieve that.

What do I do? I need some advice.

I don’t want to communicate with him anymore about it because I feel like it’s getting no where.

Do I stop replying to his emails and seek legal advice again?

Or am I being unreasonable, if so how?

Thanks I’m advanced.

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AdaColeman · 26/01/2022 22:35

Has your child already got a passport? If so, keep it safe, somewhere where your Ex cannot get it.
If you do not have a passport for the child, get one as soon as possible and keep it somewhere secure from your Ex.

Be aware that your Ex may request the child’s birth certificate from you, on some pretext or other, eg opening a savings account for the child.

stardust40 · 26/01/2022 22:36

I agree with everyone else .... not a chance.

I'm not sure why at one school holidays would have anything to do with his contact being different?! The court order stands the same all year round I assume so do NOT agree to change it!

curiousmum3 · 26/01/2022 22:37

Nope. No way. Never ever ever. No explanation needed - just not happening. Simple as that. Get her a passport and keep it. Speak with solicitors to make sure you do everything in your power to not let this happen

EezyOozy · 26/01/2022 22:37

No chance.

JugglingJanuary · 26/01/2022 22:37

With my parents yes, maybe a few others...

With this twat NO

With anyone, to Nigeria NOwith this git to Nigeria NO fucking way.

momls20 · 26/01/2022 22:38

Nope nope nope, definitely not especially to bloody Nigeria ShockAngry

curiousmum3 · 26/01/2022 22:45

Stand your ground. Even without Nigeria or the threat of not getting her back, that aside, a father trying to take a baby away abroad from its mother while all the usually have is 3 nights a fortnight is completely inconsiderate and disgusting behaviour. He needs a reality check. I'd laugh at him if I were you. Not a chance in hell would my kids be going abroad without me present! And for two weeks! No way

redbigbananafeet · 26/01/2022 22:47

@Sapphire387

Does your daughter have a passport? Get her one, make sure you keep it.
Excellent advice. What's to stop him getting her a passport, going to Nigeria and never bringing her back?
Redburnett · 26/01/2022 22:48

No, never.

Curiousmouse · 26/01/2022 22:48

Never.

MrsSkylerWhite · 26/01/2022 22:50

“We currently have a court order in place since July 2021. This states he is to have contact every fortnight for 3 nights and is not to remove her from the country without my consent.”

End of. Non-negotiable. They can come here.

EileenGC · 26/01/2022 22:51

Oh dear god, no. He might never bring her back. If he insists on going abroad to visit relatives or anything like that, you go with them. She stays with you 24/7.

If he doesn’t like that option, then neither of you move. She doesn’t leave the country without it. It might be impossible to get her back, there are hundreds of parents across Europe (and not only) who are fighting to get their children back after they were taken to countries who are not signatories of The Hague convention. Or countries which simply don’t care they ever signed it. Don’t let her out of your sight.

lochmaree · 26/01/2022 22:52

this is so scary. I'd apply for a passport ASAP and keep it locked in a very secure place. I'd be terrified he wouldn't bring her back!

LibrariesGiveUsPower · 26/01/2022 22:54

Hell no. Never. I doubt he’d bring her back.

Court order is there for a reason.

Roserm · 26/01/2022 23:12

Thanks so much to everyone. I am really scared. I haven’t got her a passport yet but I’m going to apply for one first thing tomorrow. I need to find out if he has already applied for one!! I’m so worried he has! Going to seek legal advice tomorrow too.

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TheKeatingFive · 26/01/2022 23:27

Jesus no.

I'd apply for a passport ASAP and keep it locked in a very secure place.

Do this

Roserm · 26/01/2022 23:28

The final court order dated 6 months ago, also states that in future years parties can discuss alternative arrangements around work holidays and school holidays when the child attends school. She has not started school yet but he has requested all of the school holidays stating he is planning to take leave from work at these times. I tried to make reasonable suggestions but this was not good enough for him so nothings been confirmed yet. I feel unbelievably stressed. I am not going to reply to his last emails and will seek legal advice now definitely.

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Flutterflybutterby · 26/01/2022 23:35

No way

TestingTestingWonTooFree · 26/01/2022 23:39

A court is highly unlikely to give any parent all of the school holidays.

BobbieT1999 · 26/01/2022 23:40

Absolutely not.

Get child a passport but keep it locked away.

thegirlwiththelongblackhair · 26/01/2022 23:45

I'm from Afghanistan.

My family member literally split up from his girlfriend (English girl) he told her he was taking the children to Spain for few days with grandparents.
They went to Afghanistan. And they have never returned. Infact they are still there now and the dad is back in the uk. Left them there with his parents.

These things happen a lot. And just think your 1 year old would literally not know who you are if she gets taken to Nigeria and never returned.

Abusive men don't think of their childrens feelings just their own revenge/selfishness.

Get a passport asap. Never let him take your child anywhere out of this country. Flag this to the courts too.

JustLyra · 26/01/2022 23:46

@Roserm

The final court order dated 6 months ago, also states that in future years parties can discuss alternative arrangements around work holidays and school holidays when the child attends school. She has not started school yet but he has requested all of the school holidays stating he is planning to take leave from work at these times. I tried to make reasonable suggestions but this was not good enough for him so nothings been confirmed yet. I feel unbelievably stressed. I am not going to reply to his last emails and will seek legal advice now definitely.
Do not start the precedence of him having all of the school holidays - he’s likely thinking forward and knows that once that’s the status quo it’ll be harder for you to argue time back.

I say this all the time after seeing a friend get no downtime with her child after an established pattern of her ex having every weekend and bank holiday was set up while the child was little.

Hockeyboysmum · 26/01/2022 23:48

Not a chance in hell. Get her a passport and keep a tight hold on it

JustLyra · 26/01/2022 23:50

Also if you haven’t already - start a diary. Keep a record of every time he’s late, every time he threatens not to return her, every time he refuses to compromise etc

Even if you keep texts and emails write it down as well as a back up.

3amMusings · 26/01/2022 23:54

Over my dead fucking body would I allow this.

As PP said, get your dd a passport sorted ASAP and keep it well away from her father.