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Would u let your 1 year old travel abroad without you?

182 replies

Roserm · 26/01/2022 22:16

Hi

Really need some advice.

My abusive ex partner has requested to have our 1 year old for 2 weeks in the summer holidays and all of the other school holidays this year.

We currently have a court order in place since July 2021. This states he is to have contact every fortnight for 3 nights and is not to remove her from the country without my consent.

I’ve suggested he have her for 1 week at most at any one time to begin with as she currently only sees him for 3 nights every fortnight. I think a gradual increase is important rather than going from 3 nights to 2 weeks. That’s a long time for a baby who won’t really understand what’s going on. Is this unreasonable?

I also suggested we half the holidays. He thinks this is unfair as his contact already falls in the holiday period and this shouldn’t be included. He feels he should have the holidays on top of this.

He has also stated that he is planning a family vacation to take our child out of the country for 2 weeks which I am not in agreement with. He stated that unless there’s a medical reason he will be taking her.

My reasons for not being in agreement with this just yet is that in order for us to make this arrangement between ourselves work, we need good communication and trust and respect. And we don’t have this just yet.

There would also be no legal enforcement put in place if we arrange this between ourselves and this scares me because even with a court order he just does what he wants

Also considering our child’s age, if she is to go abroad with him, I don’t feel assured he would give me correct contact details or information about where she’s going and flight details etc which I think are very reasonable requests. I think any parent would appreciate this information and don’t see any reason why the other parent wouldn’t share it with them.

He has consistently been hours late for handovers which I think is really disrespectful towards me and my time. He has constantly requested to change the order every week last minute to suit him. I have tried to accommodated where best I can and have done more than I needed to already.

He recently had issues with providing me details of where our child is staying during contact with him without any good reason and then gave me false information even though the court order states he is to inform me where she is staying before contact. I couldn’t understand this and thought it was really unnecessary to do that and felt we went backwards in progress.

He also stated a couple times that he may not be able to return our child to my care when agreed and tried to negotiate keeping her which lead me having to seek legal advice and threaten him with legal action in which he then returned her.

I don’t want to feel intimidated into letting her go abroad when I feel this way or giving in to the holidays and not getting to spend any of that time with her and our family but I feel like he is trying to achieve that.

What do I do? I need some advice.

I don’t want to communicate with him anymore about it because I feel like it’s getting no where.

Do I stop replying to his emails and seek legal advice again?

Or am I being unreasonable, if so how?

Thanks I’m advanced.

OP posts:
nocoolnamesleft · 27/01/2022 00:01

Nigeria is not a signatory to the Hague convention. So not a chance in hell.

LoveSummerNotIcecream · 27/01/2022 00:01

If her fathers Nigerian she will be entitled to a Nigerian passport which he can get from the embassy in London. Nigeria allows you to have dual nationality so even if you get her a UK passport, she will be able to travel to Nigeria on her Nigerian passport. Seek legal advice.

WTF475878237NC · 27/01/2022 00:05

Tell him you're sticking to the court order and to contact a solicitor to go back to court to discuss it further.

AlwaysLatte · 27/01/2022 00:05

Is he Nigerian? For a start I'd never allow my child abroad with anyone, and secondly I'd be worried about FGM.

Fluenty · 27/01/2022 00:05

Doesn’t matter what he feels
The court order is simple

If he wants more he can learn to follow the rules. If you can’t trust him with the court order, how can he expect to be given more freedom?

And he was abusive to you? You owe him nothing.

kitcat15 · 27/01/2022 00:08

Hope you sort out passport quickly OP....lock it away in a safe place

PrincessNutella · 27/01/2022 00:17

If he takes the child and leaves her in Nigeria with relatives, he will both get to spite you and never have to pay you child support. His family will support him completely. And you will be broken.

Roserm · 27/01/2022 00:26

I couldn’t have said this better myself, it’s so true so thank you.

OP posts:
Maxiedog123 · 27/01/2022 00:36

If he can get a Nigerian passport I would look into getting it flagged at airports that she cannot travel outside uk

Maxiedog123 · 27/01/2022 00:37

I would also stick strictly to court order.

joannadoe · 27/01/2022 00:53

How bloody scary it must be for you and to be honest I always keep my own dd's passport with me because you can never trust anyone despite having a normal marriage, despite DH coming from a country that is actually a member in The Hague convention. Nigeria isn't a member of this convention. To me, Dh has very powerful connections from the country he comes from, so if we were to divorce due to abuse etc, no way in hell would I allow him to take dd out the country because hague wouldn't even help.

Sunnytwobridges · 27/01/2022 01:20

I’m far from overprotective but hell no. My dd father wanted her to visit him during the summer when he was living in Japan and she was 10ys old and I wouldn’t let her. I had a bad feeling about it as he’s a jerk most of the time.

MrsNettle · 27/01/2022 01:37

@LoveSummerNotIcecream

If her fathers Nigerian she will be entitled to a Nigerian passport which he can get from the embassy in London. Nigeria allows you to have dual nationality so even if you get her a UK passport, she will be able to travel to Nigeria on her Nigerian passport. Seek legal advice.
I came to post this too. I'd imagine he'll need her birth certificate, etc. to get it from Nigerian embassy in London so you will know that something is up. However, this way her real name would be on the passport and it can be easily flagged up at the airport.

I don't want to worry you but he can easily buy her a Nigerian passport in Nigeria with whatever name and DOB he pleases, get it posted to to the UK and it will be impossible to flag it up at the airport in case he wants to travel with her.

Fromthebirdsnest · 27/01/2022 01:40

Absolutely no way ...

RisingSunn · 27/01/2022 01:46

Yep as previous posters said. He can easily get her a Nigerian passport. So please get legal advice and stick to the order.

Flickflak · 27/01/2022 02:03

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liveforsummer · 27/01/2022 05:01

2 weeks is too long for a 1 year old with that much previous contact. It would be too long for my nearly 9 year old. Are the 3 nights all together or spread over the fortnight? If altogether then 5 days then 7 seems a naturals progression over time. Demanding the full holidays is ridiculous, even splitting is a lot at her age. Dc are on a EOW contact schedule so I guess less nights but court would not give more than 1/3 of the holidays to exp based on that

The holiday is a whole other matter and agree you need to apply for passport and get legal advice ASAP

Chilesstanton · 27/01/2022 05:16

Not a snowball’s chance in hell.

blyn72 · 27/01/2022 05:23

Don't let her go. She will be too young to be apart from her mother for so long for no good reason other than a holiday.. Keep things as they are.

TurkeyRoastvBubbleandSqueek · 27/01/2022 05:44

@Sapphire387

Does your daughter have a passport? Get her one, make sure you keep it.
^ THIS very much ^ THIS. Also, absolutely no to taking her abroad - until she is an adult!

Please never communicate with him about access to your DD, either by face to face or by telephone. You need to have all his demands requests in some sort of written form, so that you can photo and or forward them to your solicitor - not necessarily all individually, it depends how important they are? But even if not urgent, but are prolific I would send my solicitor a copy at least once a week.

I am very concerned about your ex's behaviour, and my main aim for you to send copies of his demands is that I hope they are damning enough for the Court to order supervised visits only. I don't know if it is solely in response to your posts (probably), but my spidery senses, combined with my gut, are that you can NOT TRUST this man. I am normally very much for a father's rights, even though I am a mum whose husband left me many years ago.

Sorry OP, but I think you are being far too accommodating to him, maybe in order to not be an unreasonable person, which is fine and good when you are dealing with reasonable people - unfortunately OP, your ex is no-where near reasonable. Please tread very carefully.

HappyHedgehog247 · 27/01/2022 05:46

stick to your court order. It’s worth it’s weight in gold. The more you flex it the more you are setting precedent for Changes to be permanently established.

Get her passport and keep it with you.

Minimize communication around changes. Be very grey rock about ‘this is not in line with the order’

Get legal support whenever you need to, including on this.

Good luck.

Roserm · 27/01/2022 07:22

Thank you for this. I can’t believe how everyone is saying the same thing and it’s not just me worrying. I have been very reasonable and more than accommodating with him. I have given him the extra day here and there when he asked for them, agreed to changed location, dates and times of handovers on numerous different occasions to accommodate his requests, I made up for the couple of weekends our daughter was unavailable for contact because she was too unwell by rescheduling contact with him, I arranged bi-weekly video calls for him as he requested to see and speak to our daughter during the weeks he doesn’t have her, I agreed to let him have her Christmas last year even though it fell on my weekend. None of this which is on the court order but I thought I was being very reasonable. The court order does however state we should alternate Christmas, so next yeah she will now be with me but I could have chosen to keep her this year instead knowing that he wanted to have her. I have waited numerous times of up to 4 hours at handovers for him to arrive to not even get an apology. He constantly shows up late with a last minute message to let me know, which is such a nuisance. I tried to discuss child support with him on 2 separate occasions over the past year. His last payment was over a year ago and then because I made an application through CMA last month as I’d not heard back from him, I am now not Co-parenting or “working with him”. Despite all the trauma this man has put me through, I have tried to stay as neutral and amicable as possible when making decisions but I do feel like all of this has done me no favours whatsoever as he just wants more and more and more. Nothing I seem to do is good enough so since December and his more recent actions, I told him I didn’t wish to make any more arrangements with him outside of what’s already been agreed and what’s in the court order and I will be sticking to this. I am weary about the section of the court order that says in future years, parties are to make arrangements for school holidays hence why I attempted to discuss this with him yesterday when he requested it, but we got no where so do not plan on discussing that any further with him either. He then tells me that unless there’s a medical reason or important reason why our daughter can not leave the country with him, he is planning a family vacation despite the court order stating he needs my consent which I have not given. He then proceeded to tell me that he is in line with the court order because he is giving me plenty of notice of his plans to take her abroad. Hopefully, if it goes back to court, they will acknowledge all this. And thankfully, I have kept a document/online diary of everything that’s happened since July last year.

Do I reply to his last email? Do I ask him if he has a passport for our daughter already?

Do I leave not reply and wait for legal advice?

He is meant to be having contact with our daughter today for the weekend so I don't want to do or say anything that may potentially annoy him. I need to tread very carefully.

OP posts:
JustLyra · 27/01/2022 07:24

Don’t do anything without legal advice

NameGoesHere · 27/01/2022 07:26

Don’t ask if he has a passport for her! Just get one yourself. Then you can also, I think, create an alert if it’s used without you present.

NameGoesHere · 27/01/2022 07:27

And definitely get legal advice. I’d also stop being so reasonable and accommodation g to all these changes etc.

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