Everyone should continue to call him Prince Andrew

[TheLeadbetterLife]

I’ve seen a few people, and TV programmes and things, saying he’s just Andrew now.

He’s not, though, is he? He’s still a prince, that can’t be taken from him, like his other titles. He should continue to be called Prince Andrew.

“But he doesn’t deserve to be a prince”, people say. Well, no-one does, that’s the whole deal with a monarchy. You don’t get to pick and choose, there’s no merit, it’s entirely about whose cock and balls were involved.

Royals have done appalling things for centuries, it’s their divine right. If you don’t like it, stop supporting it.

My son has taken to calling him the creepy royal. My Dad calls him His Royal Nonciness and said that if Jeffrey Epstein was gifted 12 year old girls to abuse for his birthday, his close friend can't have been unaware and if his close friend didn't put him or at least cut him out of his life for that, there's no way he didn't also partake of such activities and VG is only the one who has said something so far.

I'll call him what I want. Just becuase we have a royal family doesn't mean we are compelled to use their titles. Likewise I will never curtsy... to anyone.

I agree OP
He's still Prince Andrew

Until he has all royal statuses removed then this is an allegation that he hasn't formally defended himself from, made in a different country in a civil action and not in a criminal court.

I don't hold out any expectation he will be able to, but you are right that the other gifted titles can be removed but not his title as Prince, not as yet.

I feel a bit sorry for his mum -our Queen -in all this. She has been a paragon of duty for the country. Not perfect but a dedicated head of state. Personally this must be breaking her heart and a huge disappointment in his behaviour to have led to situation he could even have allegations like this made against him. Whether they are true or not, he has shown appalling judgement throughout.

If they are true, then I hope they remove the Prince part. And that he faces up to it. And hope that the then young girls involved are supported and get their day in court.
If they aren't true, then I don't know how he will come back from this at all.

I also feel sorry for his daughters Eugene and Beatrice, the wider fall out on so many innocent parties is like a bomb taking down anyone near. We cannot blame nor tarnish his minor children (back then) / young adult/ daughters.

Personally this must be breaking her heart and a huge disappointment in his behaviour to have led to situation he could even have allegations like this made against him. Whether they are true or not, he has shown appalling judgement throughout.

Very good point. There are so many ill-considered objections to what I see as the justly-earned criticism he's currently receiving, on the basis that he hasn't been found guilty of any criminal offence. Neither have I, but if questions surrounding exploitative relationships with young adults (not even minors) were swirling around me in my occupation, I'd be fired for bringing my profession into disrepute and rightly so.

He was an unelected UK diplomat, who was photographed cavorting with a convicted sex offender, and himself claimed to be a close friend of a second offender who's now been convicted of trafficking. That is unedifying behaviour. It's unfit for the position he held, particularly as the UK electorate have no recourse to a vote. And on a global stage it makes the UK look simply terrible.

These, at least, are incontrovertible facts: as are the ones on which he convicted himself out of his own mouth on national TV.

He should never, ever, hold a position of office of any kind in the UK again. Left up to me the country would oust the whole lot of them. But the fact that this creep is cavorting with a fantasy 'HRH' title (whether he uses it or not) and is part of a hereditary line of succession which is set in stone and can't be challenged, really shows this antediluvian farce up for what it really is.

The Establishment is murky up to its eyeballs, and as far as I'm concerned the more sunlight that's shone under their rugs and into their closets, the better. A-MW is disgusting in many senses of that word.

Haven't RTT but I agree with the sentiment OP.

It's like when people 'other' rapists/child abusers/DV perps with 'they're not real men' well, yea, they actually are. They aren't in a separate 'monsters' group - they're your husbands, your brothers, your sons, your neighbours, etc, a manifestation of male-entitlement, not a blip in the matrix.

Taking away his title is like that for me; it's separating him from the establishment who has likely known about this for years - he isn't separate, he's very much a product of a system where the elite have been free to do whatever the fuck they want for, well, forever! The same establishment that was besties with Savile and even knighted him

He's an arrogant privileged tosser who isn't nearly as clever as he thinks he is and thinks the rules don't apply to him- every inch a royal; oozes entitlement. He needs to keep his title to remind people exactly what they're supporting when they wave their flags!

@lemmein

Haven't RTT but I agree with the sentiment OP.

It's like when people 'other' rapists/child abusers/DV perps with 'they're not real men' well, yea, they actually are. They aren't in a separate 'monsters' group - they're your husbands, your brothers, your sons, your neighbours, etc, a manifestation of male-entitlement, not a blip in the matrix.

Taking away his title is like that for me; it's separating him from the establishment who has likely known about this for years - he isn't separate, he's very much a product of a system where the elite have been free to do whatever the fuck they want for, well, forever! The same establishment that was besties with Savile and even knighted him

He's an arrogant privileged tosser who isn't nearly as clever as he thinks he is and thinks the rules don't apply to him- every inch a royal; oozes entitlement. He needs to keep his title to remind people exactly what they're supporting when they wave their flags!

Exactly so.

OK a defence of Nonce Andrew, along with aspersions cast upon our very own dear Queen...

Hi Fergie, how are you?

I now anonce him Prince of Pervs

@Sweetchocolatecandy

Nonces don’t deserve respect or titles.

I hate the word 'nonce'. He's not been found guilty of anything so far

Me too @derxa.

@Blossomtoes

Me too *@derxa*.

It reminds me of those people that shout abuse at convicted criminals who are being taken to prison in a van with blacked out windows. A bunch of middle class women yelling 'Nonce!' playing the hard man. Andrew's a despicable human being but he hasn't had any criminal charges laid against him.

I don't know if I'm more alarmed by the gawd-bless-'er forelock tugging or the lack of reading comprehension in this thread.

@TheLeadbetterLife

I don't know if I'm more alarmed by the gawd-bless-'er forelock tugging or the lack of reading comprehension in this thread.

Are you actually 'alarmed'?

I agree that the title Prince still applies.
Having said that, I’m this house the Prince now goes by the name of ‘The Dork of Yuck’.

Also, I’m not a house. I meant ‘in’.

YANBU to say that he is still a prince.
YABU to tell people what they can and can't call him when they are talking about him.

Oh and YABU for this: Royals have done appalling things for centuries, it’s their divine right.

'Divine right' is a nonsense unless you believe in god,which I don't.

It still amazes me that he has been hung drawn and quartered without any actual proof

Doesn't that depend on what he's being mentally "hung drawn and quartered" for?

I've said very little about VG's accusations because we simply can't know where the truth lies, and probably never will if (as I expect) it doesn't come to him being tried
But for some of us, him offering a cloak of respectability to a convicted paedophile and sex trafficker is enough - and that's without all the rest of his oafish behaviour over the years

@Puzzledandpissedoff

It still amazes me that he has been hung drawn and quartered without any actual proof

Doesn't that depend on what he's being mentally "hung drawn and quartered" for?

I've said very little about VG's accusations because we simply can't know where the truth lies, and probably never will if (as I expect) it doesn't come to him being tried
But for some of us, him offering a cloak of respectability to a convicted paedophile and sex trafficker is enough - and that's without all the rest of his oafish behaviour over the years

Agree with all of that.

@RobertaFirmino

OK a defence of Nonce Andrew, along with aspersions cast upon our very own dear Queen...

Hi Fergie, how are you?

I haven't seen a single defence of him on this thread.

You are right op. He is still Prince Andrew no matter what anyone feels about it. Just like the crown Prince of Greece is still that despite Greece having demolished their kingdom

'Nonces don't deserve titles' isn't really the point. NOBODY deserves silly 'HRH' titles which designate 'highness', presumably over the lowness of others. (And that's especially hilarious considering the behaviour of a goodly proportion of Windsors is lower than a snake's underpass). Nations deserve better than a national anthem devoted to one privileged individual rather than a body of 70m citizens.

But OP is preaching to the converted here considering I've been a republican since my teens and just wouldn't naturally refer to a fellow human as Prince or Princess anyone. They are just people. And fairly unremarkable people at that.

Great points above, though, as to how people need to see precisely what they are waving their little union flags to support. And the 'Gawd bless 'er' mentality is, indeed, alarming. Men like Andrew grow up to become men like Andrew because of enablers, and being brought up to believe they are in some way special. He's not unique, but he is an extreme example.

I predict there will be interesting questions asked when the current incumbent has seen out her time. There's no indication that her would-be successors are regarded with the same respect she commands, presumably because of her longevity and well-advised ability to keep her trap shut.

Prince Nonce?

Why?

I've not seen him referred to as Randy Andy much recently by the papers.

@SerialNo

How about The Andrew formerly known as Prince?

Love this!!