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Am I being an unreasonable friend to retract my invitation to an event?

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CountryGirl17 · 10/01/2022 15:42

Hi. I wonder if you can help me? I would like to know if I am being reasonable or not. Last week, my brother offered me two free tickets to go to the theatre yesterday evening as he couldn’t go. I will be reimbursing my brother in some way for the ‘free’ tickets as a thank you.

I live in the Midlands and the theatre is in London. On Friday, I text my friend who lives in the same town as me and invited her to come along with me. I had in mind that it would have been nice to go together and have pre theatre dinner and drinks. As it would take a few hours to get to London and park etc. going earlier in my mind is better than just going for the performance.

My friend accepted the invitation, only by needing to know if she could get a lift home and that she told me to meet her at the door of the theatre at 7.30pm. This threw me a little, as I was a bit confused by this as I had assumed, we would be travelling down together. However, after a series of texts, I then realised that she was already out in London with friends and had made dinner plans with them on Sunday. So, instead of getting a lift back with them, she would need to get a lift back with me after the performance. Essentially extending her time and mini break in the city. I did press her three times to see if we could meet earlier, so I could get more out of the evening, but she couldn’t. She could only meet me at the door. Eating or travelling alone wasn’t what I had in mind! But, that’s not the end of the world in reality.

However, this left me feeling rather disappointed. I had wanted to spend good quality time with my friend. If I’d have known that she was busy with other people, then I wouldn’t have invited her in the first place and seen her another day. Or better still, before she accepted the invite, I wished that she’d explained her plans before to see if that was okay by me. She essentially accepted the ticket, regardless of what I had in mind for the night and I was having to fall in line with her plans, by meeting her at the theatre. It just didn’t feel right to me.

I know that I would have been driving to London anyway, but from my perspective, it just felt odd to meet her at the door. I also wasn’t getting the full benefit from the theatre experience, but my friend was – she was having the pre dinner and drinks with friends before, then seeing me at a time to suit her, getting the free ticket and the lift home. It just felt more convenient for her than me. It just meant also that I was driving down to London on my own, paying for the fuel and parking to only get 2.5 hours in the theatre with my friend. It just didn’t seem worth my time or effort, given that I live nowhere near London. I was debating in my mind whether it was worth having the tickets and giving them back to my brother.

I then had to bite the bullet. I said on text in a polite way that I recognised that she was busy this weekend and I’d invite someone else instead. Explaining that ‘just’ meeting at the door wasn’t what I had in mind for us. She wasn’t happy with me and was thrilled initially to get the tickets. So, I invited another friend, who ended up paying for the parking and dinner to say thank you.

My friend wasn’t happy that I’d retracted the invite. But am I in the right or wrong? Should I have just gone along with what suited her and met her at the door like she wanted, regardless of what I had in mind? I hate falling out with friends but I feel that she accepted the ticket without thinking of me, who was giving her the ticket.

In hindsight, to have met my original friend at 7.30pm (then go through all the Covid checks), we may have missed the first half as the doors to the auditorium were closed and everyone was seated by 7.15pm. As the tickets my brother gave to me were second row the front in the stalls, this is a further reason why we wouldn’t have been allowed in due to the disruption – this I know only in hindsight.

Was I being unreasonable?

OP posts:
NYnewstart · 11/01/2022 09:35

It’s absolutely fine to ask someone else but you probably should have said at the time that you’d try to get someone else to do the whole thing with first. You could have said that you’d come back to her if you couldn’t find someone.

It was cheeky of her to think you’d fit in with her plans though. She should also have said “see if you can find someone else” at the time.

Viviennemary · 11/01/2022 09:38

I think you were both being a bit unreasonable. Yoj for expecting her to change all her plans at the last minute. Also you dhoukd have said right away dorry that won't work for me. She shoukdn't have accepted it knowing it woukd be a rudh to grt there.

saraclara · 11/01/2022 09:56

You invited her to the theatre - you didn't invite her for a night on the town. She said yes, even though she had other plans (which, for all you know, she may have curtailed in order to meet up with you). Then you retracted.

Yes. Sorry OP, I understand your disappointment, but you can't just say "I wanted more from this trip than this so I'm dumping you in favour of someone else". The time to express what you wanted was when you invited her, or at least as soon as she mentioned meeting you at the door (when you could have said "ah, I was going to make an afternoon/evening of if. It seems like you're busy anyway, so do you mind if I offer it to someone who's available to travel and hang out with me?")

But withdrawing the invitation later was poor behaviour.

FateHasRedesignedMost · 11/01/2022 11:58

Were you upfront about wanting to have dinner and drinks or just mentioned the theatre ticket (for a show she was excited about)? If you didn’t state dinner and drinks were part of the evening I think it’s rude to withdraw the invitation just because she had plans already. I’m guessing she and her friends had already booked/paid for dinner for the final evening of their trip and she couldn’t very well dump them on the last night because a new friend was in town.

She couldn’t help being there already, with plans, sounds like she wanted to please you by accompanying you to the theatre (without letting her other friends down).

If her travelling with you/paying a share of the petrol/parking, having dinner and drinks with you was important I think you should have made it clear when offering the free ticket.

A bit mean to offer it, let her change her plans and travel arrangements, then tell her you’re taking someone else instead.

BeenHereForAges · 11/01/2022 12:44

YANBU. I'd be fine with this if I was your friend. It was an impromptu free invite, the times she was available didn't work for you so you invited someone else. I really dont see a problem.
Its great that you and your other friend both enjoyed the night & got as much from the experience as you could.

Mummyoflittledragon · 11/01/2022 13:00

If her travelling with you/paying a share of the petrol/parking, having dinner and drinks with you was important I think you should have made it clear when offering the free ticket.

As they live in the same town, it’s pretty obvious op presumed the friend would be in the midlands. And that’s a pretty normal assumption to make.

I don’t understand the debate surrounding op needing to eat and drink at some stage in the circa 10 hours between leaving home and returning. Do people normally embark on a 3 plus hour journey, sit at a show for another 2/3 hours then do the return leg of the journey without eating let alone drinking? I would presume not.

The friend therefore expecting op to eat and drink alone and not offering to include her in dinner plans is treating op as little more than a freebie taxi service with entertainment to boot. I certainly wouldn’t be ok to travel, pay parking and petrol for someone, who was so inconsiderate of my basic physical needs.

CountryGirl17 · 11/01/2022 14:10

@Mummyoflittledragon

If her travelling with you/paying a share of the petrol/parking, having dinner and drinks with you was important I think you should have made it clear when offering the free ticket.

As they live in the same town, it’s pretty obvious op presumed the friend would be in the midlands. And that’s a pretty normal assumption to make.

I don’t understand the debate surrounding op needing to eat and drink at some stage in the circa 10 hours between leaving home and returning. Do people normally embark on a 3 plus hour journey, sit at a show for another 2/3 hours then do the return leg of the journey without eating let alone drinking? I would presume not.

The friend therefore expecting op to eat and drink alone and not offering to include her in dinner plans is treating op as little more than a freebie taxi service with entertainment to boot. I certainly wouldn’t be ok to travel, pay parking and petrol for someone, who was so inconsiderate of my basic physical needs.

Thank you all so much for the replies and even those that support my friend’s view point. It’s interesting when organising events that people are coming at things from two different side. It’s fair to say the communication is everything. But I think it’s a case of the two of us were both trying to maximise our weekend plans, without knowing what the other was planning.

Personally, I think this comment hits the nail on the head. I had assumed that as we live in the same town that we would travel together. I hadn’t anticipated her being in London or that she’s already made plans in the hours leading to the start time of the performance. She accepted the invite initially on getting the lift home, which then led me to understands more of her whereabouts and after asking her for dinner, she declined saying that she’d already made plans. It put me in the awkward position of inviting her to later know that she was already pretty busy, and she (in my view) accepted not thinking about my needs e.g. logistics, getting a bite to eat and having a drink. My gut instinct was telling me she was more thrilled about the tickets and convenience of the lift home, but I didn’t want to admit that to myself.

I guess I felt disappointed that she felt that it was okay for me to go to all trouble of making my own way there, paying for the fuel, parking, emissions charge etc. (not that I would expect reimbursement) without considering that after 2.5hrs in the car that I might want to relax for a drink (and/or dinner) before the performance.

She was given a free ticket and not giving anything back to say thanks. I would have been happy to meet her at 6.30pm and not had dinner (as I’d sort that out on my own). In order to safely get to the venue from the Midlands to not be late, should there be traffic etc. I would’ve needed to have left home at 4.30pm. However, she wanted to meet me at the same time the curtain went up, which is unfair for me to miss a section of the performance to suit her, after the effort I would have making to get to London to accommodate her. In hindsight where the seats were we would have missed the first half if we met a 7:30pm as it started promptly.

OP posts:
LampLighter414 · 11/01/2022 14:36

Wow a story on MN where someone did in fact 'JUST SAY NO'

Well done

Hope you had a great time.

YANBU and I hope you move on from worrying further about this.

slashlover · 11/01/2022 15:26

@Mymycherrypie

And anyone saying “I’d be upset with you”… why would you be? Because you didn’t get the free stuff you’d been promised that was no longer on offer. Grubby tbh.

The OP says So, instead of getting a lift back with them, she would need to get a lift back with me after the performance. Essentially extending her time and mini break in the city. so it's likely the friend told her other friends that she wouldn't need a lift back with them and then had to change again when OP changed her mind.

FateHasRedesignedMost · 11/01/2022 16:13

it's likely the friend told her other friends that she wouldn't need a lift back with them and then had to change again when OP changed her mind

This ^

Fair enough to realise she wasn’t available in the way you wanted (travel companion, company for drinks/dinner, someone to share the costs (or cover them all as her replacement did). But you should have worked it out before you officially invited her Eg ‘are you free on x-date, at x-time, my brother gave me 2 tickets to see x if you’d like to come to London with me and make an evening of it’

That would have given her the chance to accept/decline properly, not make other arrangements only to have the invitation taken away. You should have found out what time she could get to the theatre/free for drinks before offering the ticket and lift.

Perhaps she thought she was doing you a favour by going to see the show with you, cancelling her lift home? Why do you assume she was ‘using’ you when she’d already had a few days minibreak and had her lift home sorted?

FateHasRedesignedMost · 11/01/2022 16:19

She was given a free ticket and not giving anything back to say thanks

How did she have the chance to give anything back, when you took the invitation back before she had a chance to contribute anything?

It sounds like she was bending over backwards to accommodate both you and the friends she was with. Who knows, if she’d travelled home with you maybe she’d have paid for the fuel/food on the way/given you a gift as a token of appreciation.

I doubt she gave it as much thought as you’re implying, eg

I guess I felt disappointed that she felt that it was okay for me to go to all trouble of making my own way there, paying for the fuel, parking, emissions charge etc. (not that I would expect reimbursement) without considering that after 2.5hrs in the car that I might want to relax for a drink (and/or dinner) before the performance

Do you really believe all those considerations went through her head, or did she just think ‘that sounds fun, why not say yes and keep friend company?’

errnerrcallnernnernnern · 11/01/2022 16:19

[quote slashlover]@Mymycherrypie

And anyone saying “I’d be upset with you”… why would you be? Because you didn’t get the free stuff you’d been promised that was no longer on offer. Grubby tbh.

The OP says So, instead of getting a lift back with them, she would need to get a lift back with me after the performance. Essentially extending her time and mini break in the city. so it's likely the friend told her other friends that she wouldn't need a lift back with them and then had to change again when OP changed her mind.[/quote]
Well, then she would have been very stupid to do that before confirming plans with OP.

errnerrcallnernnernnern · 11/01/2022 16:21

@FateHasRedesignedMost

She was given a free ticket and not giving anything back to say thanks

How did she have the chance to give anything back, when you took the invitation back before she had a chance to contribute anything?

It sounds like she was bending over backwards to accommodate both you and the friends she was with. Who knows, if she’d travelled home with you maybe she’d have paid for the fuel/food on the way/given you a gift as a token of appreciation.

I doubt she gave it as much thought as you’re implying, eg

I guess I felt disappointed that she felt that it was okay for me to go to all trouble of making my own way there, paying for the fuel, parking, emissions charge etc. (not that I would expect reimbursement) without considering that after 2.5hrs in the car that I might want to relax for a drink (and/or dinner) before the performance

Do you really believe all those considerations went through her head, or did she just think ‘that sounds fun, why not say yes and keep friend company?’

How was the friend bending over backwards to accommodate OP? She wanted OP to meet her OUTSIDE just as the show was starting!

I was at the theatre last week and they asked to go in 1 HOUR before.

Why should OP miss out?!

errnerrcallnernnernnern · 11/01/2022 16:22

*asked us to go in

melj1213 · 11/01/2022 16:49

I guess I felt disappointed that she felt that it was okay for me to go to all trouble of making my own way there, paying for the fuel, parking, emissions charge etc. (not that I would expect reimbursement) without considering that after 2.5hrs in the car that I might want to relax for a drink (and/or dinner) before the performance.

I very much doubt her first thought was how inconvenienced you were - you messaged her to offer a theatre ticket, she was already in the city and her first thought was clearly "I'd love to go to the theatre with OP, but I already have plans with my other friends but I could change things so that we do our existing plans early and then I can meet OP at the theatre for the show and then maybe we can have a couple of drinks afterwards"

If someone offers me theatre tickets, I don't immediately think about the logistics of their travel/meals unless they bring it up in the message ie the difference between "I have a spare ticket for X show, want to join me?" and "I have a spare ticket for X show, I was wondering if you were free on Y day? I was thinking we could drive in a bit early and get dinner before the show, let me know if you're free and we can work out the details"

She was given a free ticket and not giving anything back to say thanks. I would have been happy to meet her at 6.30pm and not had dinner (as I’d sort that out on my own).

How do you know she wasn't going to "give anything back"? You rescinded the invitation before she had chance to make any offer. She was trying to balance multiple social engagements, you decided that wasn't good enough but you can't control other people's behaviour, only your own expectations - you made an offer of theatre tickets, with implied terms of dinner and drinks beforehand, and your friend accepted the explicit offer without being aware of your implied terms.

BertramLacey · 11/01/2022 17:21

I guess I felt disappointed that she felt that it was okay for me to go to all trouble of making my own way there, paying for the fuel, parking, emissions charge etc. (not that I would expect reimbursement) without considering that after 2.5hrs in the car that I might want to relax for a drink (and/or dinner) before the performance.

In what way was she stopping you from relaxing and having dinner before the performance? All this just sounds like very poor communication on both sides. As pp have said, it just needed you to say 'hi, I have a spare theatre ticket, fancy seeing a play? How about dinner beforehand?' and then for her to say 'I'm already in London. Sorry, can't make dinner but would love the ticket' and for you to then say 'sorry, I really want to have dinner out with a friend, I'll ask someone else'.

As it was you offered one thing, without being clear that it was conditional on her accepting something else as well, which you didn't mention at the time. And no, it's not a given that when someone says 'fancy going to the theatre?' they mean 'fancy sharing a lift to London, dinner and the theatre?'.

007Stocko · 11/01/2022 17:59

Your friend is the one being unreasonable. It would be different if it was a local theatre maybe but not with all that travel involved.

Maybe consider saying to your friend that the two of you can arrange another time to go when she has nothing else planned.

slashlover · 11/01/2022 18:16

Well, then she would have been very stupid to do that before confirming plans with OP.

As far as she was concerned they had confirmed, it was OP who then debated and considered giving them back to her brother before telling friend it wasn't possible.

Ohmybod · 11/01/2022 19:04

I think your main problem was then you invited her you weren’t specific about what you wanted and made assumptions. All of the “in my mind….I assumed…” Better communication would have avoided all this.

But I think your friend is BU to be upset you cancelled. She was benefitting from a gift and eventually knew you wanted to meet for dinner drinks etc. if I were your friend I would have declined the invite or invited you out with friends. She sounds spoilt to have anything to complain about! You sound lovely, just need to be more direct and better at getting your needs met.

Just be upfront next time and say exactly why you w

slashlover · 11/01/2022 19:07

Who are these people who would cancel on long term plans because someone messaged them two days before, or who would invite a randomer to their night out?

Londoncallingme · 11/01/2022 19:28

@KrisAkabusi

I'm in a minority here, but I think you were unreasonable. You offered her a theatre ticket and she accepted. You never said that your offer had strings attached - she had to have dinner and drinks with you. So she accepted what she thought was being offered, you then told her her actions weren't good enough and you withdrew the ticket. That's not nice and I can understand your friend being miffed.
^ THIS
vincettenoir · 11/01/2022 19:43

I can understand you putting your own needs first given that it was a long journey for you. It now works out better for you given that you are having a whole day out with another friend. Should you feel bad about that? Probably not. But I don’t think your friend was at all unreasonable and in no way a CF for accepting the invitation. So stop trying to make her the villain of the piece.

errnerrcallnernnernnern · 11/01/2022 19:46

@slashlover

Well, then she would have been very stupid to do that before confirming plans with OP.

As far as she was concerned they had confirmed, it was OP who then debated and considered giving them back to her brother before telling friend it wasn't possible.

No, confirmation would have happened when friend said ‘I’ll meet you outside theatre at 7.30pm’.

Until OP said yes to that, there was no confirmation.

Yourcatisnotsorry · 11/01/2022 20:49

She should have invited you to her dinner with the others. Fair enough she had already committed to that so wouldn’t be right to cancel but she made no attempt to include you so I think you were right to invite someone else.

melj1213 · 11/01/2022 23:29

@Yourcatisnotsorry

She should have invited you to her dinner with the others. Fair enough she had already committed to that so wouldn’t be right to cancel but she made no attempt to include you so I think you were right to invite someone else.
Why should the friend include the OP with her other friends?

Presumably they are not mutual acquaintances and so no the friend can't just invite the OP to dinner with her other friends, that would be the height of rudeness - it would totally change the dynamic of the group if one member just invites someone else they know without warning.

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