To think that men shouldn't be named as women in newspapers if they have committed sexual offences?

[WandaWomblesaurus73]

Just that really - I'm seeing more and more newspaper reports where women are being implicated in weird sexual crimes and the you see the picture and it's obviously a man.

Now I totally get that if someone is transitioning it's polite to call them by their preferred name etc - but AIBU to think that some of these criminals are just taking the piss?

Here are some recent examples - and there are loads more.

www.northwichguardian.co.uk/news/19802592.northwich-woman-jailed-cocaine-fuelled-sex-dog/

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10339797/amp/Thumb-sucking-paedophile-claims-identify-five-year-old-girl-comes-court-dressed-ELF.html

How can anyone think this is ok? And will these "women" end up in women's prisons out of politeness?

Yanbu OP. It's gaslighting as fuck and it's absolutely disgusting that the trans community would rather call women liars (example lesbians who have be raped/co-erced into sex by trans identifying males), than dissociate these deviants from their community.

YANBU

@DeepaBeesKit

Yanbu. It really fucks statistics too if these crimes get recorded as committed by women.

I don't think that's their primary intention, but it's a welcome side effect.

Women don't commit sex crimes to anywhere near the extent that men do. They simply don't.

YANBU

#notourcrimes

When will enough be enough and when will it stop?

What will it take?

I don't trust any political party to take this on and protect women and children. What needs to happen for this to stop?

YANBU

As I said on another thread, one can see at a glance from a photo. The newspapers can publish a picture whereas they are not allowed to state the offender's true sex in the written report. The information is put out there. So partially sighted/blind people who rely on text to speech software are discriminated against and misled because they don't have that visual clue.

Is there any petition that's been started on this anywhere? Not sure how people can make their feelings clear

I'm going to write to my MP about it - who is in charge of the pushing of this policy?
Also I'm going to write to Women's Hour. It's actually beyond belief the more I read about it.

I agree. The recording of the statistics is worrying.

The thoughts of these crimes being recorded as having been committed by women is really infuriating.

At the moment, we can 'argue' that statistics show we need safe places because 99% of violent crimes are carried out by men, but soon, the statistics won't reflect that, and it will be even harder to defend the requirement to keep women's places safe.

It’s horrific that a man can wake up one today and decide to identify as a woman with huge ulterior motives.

Writers should use the correct pronouns. Referring to a criminal correctly is fairly important I'd say. #notourcrimes is a load of shite.

Personally I prefer the way that the DM avoided using male pronouns for the Northwich case, yet also steered clear of the (false) female ones.

Exactly. The papers are actually doing a good job of highlighting this by including prominant photos of the perpetrators. Presumably they are bound by some code of how to deal with trans criminals (and e.g. a burglar that is trans does not need that revealed to the world if it's not relevant to the case) and these sexually violent individuals are taking advantage of it.

I agree with the OP that sexually violent criminals should be referred to using pronouns that reflect their biological sex both in court and in the papers. I also think they should not be allowed to hold a GRC and should not be allowed to impersonate a woman with the aim of accessing female only spaces. But I suspect that goes against their human rights and I'm saddened that the trans community do not feel the need to vocally distance themselves from these predators.

@Lacedwithgrace

Writers should use the correct pronouns. Referring to a criminal correctly is fairly important I'd say. #notourcrimes is a load of shite.

Are you saying that women should refer to their male rapists as "she" and that women should be in prisons with men?

100% YANBU. Although as a PP pointed out it does help to highlight the risks of self ID to people who may have previously thought it a harmless policy. However, that does not outweigh the absolutely horrific position of sexual assault survivors being asked to call the man who raped them with his penis, "she". Just awful.

Writers should use the correct pronouns. Referring to a criminal correctly is fairly important I'd say. #notourcrimes is a load of shite

The standard use of pronouns in English is to reflect biological sex. Using 'she' to refer to a rapist with a penis is lying.

I think it's not only unfair to call these sex offenders woman but also unfair to call them transgender aswell. They are clearly men pretending to be transgender to take advantage of loopholes.

Anyone who is on, or has been on the sex offender register, should not be allowed to change their name legally.

Not at all unreasonable.

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YANBU at all. I am happy to use the pronouns that I think a transgender person would prefer me to use, as a courtesy. That courtesy does NOT extend to rapists, and certainly not at the expense of the victim who is under absolutely no obligation to refer to their attacker/rapist as anything other than a man.

@Lacedwithgrace

Writers should use the correct pronouns. Referring to a criminal correctly is fairly important I'd say. #notourcrimes is a load of shite.

Yes it would be terribly unkind to show disrespect and unkindness to a rapist

Safeguarding trumps the feelings of anyone. Yours. Mine. Anyones.
The End.

@Funnylittlefloozie

Anyone who is on, or has been on the sex offender register, should not be allowed to change their name legally.

There are a lot of offenders who have never been Prosecuted though I know of a serial offender gets arrested put on bail case gets dropped due to "lack of evidence" (lack of investigation really) and/or he intimidates the victim into dropping charges and it Continues again he can pass a dbs check easily

When a 5 year old boy who was molested by a man is now gaslit and forced to commit Perjury in a court of law by being told they have to refer to the male pedophile as a female (as has actually happened in an actual case last year), you know things have gotten very sick indeed.

YANBU it upsets me greatly