To think that men shouldn't be named as women in newspapers if they have committed sexual offences?

[WandaWomblesaurus73]

Just that really - I'm seeing more and more newspaper reports where women are being implicated in weird sexual crimes and the you see the picture and it's obviously a man.

Now I totally get that if someone is transitioning it's polite to call them by their preferred name etc - but AIBU to think that some of these criminals are just taking the piss?

Here are some recent examples - and there are loads more.

www.northwichguardian.co.uk/news/19802592.northwich-woman-jailed-cocaine-fuelled-sex-dog/

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10339797/amp/Thumb-sucking-paedophile-claims-identify-five-year-old-girl-comes-court-dressed-ELF.html

How can anyone think this is ok? And will these "women" end up in women's prisons out of politeness?

YANBU

YANBU.

YANBU. I think there is a petition going around to ask IPSO to change their guidance for newspapers, which says thy must refer to people by the gender they claim to be. The other issue is that the police record people as whatever gender they say they are and that is what info the reporters are given so it makes it tricky for them to report it truthfully.

All this is the result of Stonewall and Gender Intelligence training the police, the judiciary, even the MOJ FFS! Most of our civil service and institutions are following a self ID system even before it is made law, it must be stopped.

For more information, follow Sex Matters, Fair Play for Women, Standing for Women, For Women Scotland. These orgs and others are standing up to this, and need our support to do so.

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What can we each do about this, who can we complain to and make a big stink about it?
Theses crimes are presumably being committed by transwomen not women so the report should state that, why are we being lied to about this?

Unpopular opinion here but if they should be known by the name on the court rolls. Otherwise there is a risk of misidentification.

YANBU. These are men, not women. These #arenotourcrimes and there is no way these individuals should be placed in a female prison.

@Baggingarea

Unpopular opinion here but if they should be known by the name on the court rolls. Otherwise there is a risk of misidentification.

What happens if they are changing their names - does it affect DBS checks? How can you keep track of offenders if you can't name them... or name what biological sex they are?

YANBU.

YANBU.

And I don't understand why the trans community are allowing these people to associate with them.

Of course not, women are women, trans women are trans women.

@WandaWomblesaurus73 I would say this is most likely what name they use on ID (IE passport, driver's license) whether that is male or female. They shouldn't be allowed to use a nickname.

I'm not 100% sure on what the process is to change your name but assuming it's the same as changing your name after marriage. If you commit a murder as miss Smith for example, police will be able to trace / investigate / arrest you as Mrs Biggins after marriage.

Yanbu, sex is important and it should be listed in crime reporting and they should be in the men's prison if they have a prison sentence, not women's, which should be common fucking sense, but apparently not.

YANBU.

I believe in Californian prisons there are now posters up in the womens’ prisons, advising them about how they can access birth control. They won’t keep male prisoners out of women’s prisons but they know what the consequences will be for the women in there…

Imagine also the indignity of being forced to refer to your rapist in court as ‘she’.

@MarshmallowFondant

Disagree.

Naming these people as women, and referring to them as "she" or "her", along with a picture of the perpetrator, will drive it home to people how the whole idea of self-identification is fundamentally flawed and puts women at serious risk.

I hope you're right, but I fear it just lends credence to the mass gaslighting going on, backed up by many threats of violence, that black is white, war is peace and freedom is slavery.

YANBU.
That’s a man in a bad wig wearing a bit of lipstick.
What the fuck is this world we are living in

@quiteathome

YANBU.

And I don't understand why the trans community are allowing these people to associate with them.

Yes. As well as the core issue of protecting women, I don't think the vast majority of trans people would want to be seen as having anything in common with these sexual offenders. The bizarre need to be 'kind' to predators like this is hardly helpful to people who want to quietly get on with their lives.

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I wonder if the people who keep crowing about how much they love all trans people because they’re beautiful and brave feel at least mildly uncomfortable when they read stories like this that highlight that not all trans people are like Hayley from Corrie (obv there are some good trans people, some bad, just like all people in general but the way some people go on, they evidently think that being trans itself qualifies you for sainthood). Absolutely mad.

@quiteathome

YANBU.

And I don't understand why the trans community are allowing these people to associate with them.

See, this sort of comment suggests that there is a material difference between ‘real trans’ and then fake trans, which are the men getting arrested for pedophilia. There isn’t. They are all males who claim to ID as female. Just like males who don’t claim a female identity, most of them are decent people, some of them are vile scumbags. But the thing they all have in common is that they are not women.

As far as I'm aware the dbs check is another safeguarding loophole as you can't deadname people there isn't necessarily a link between names on records which is how it goes undetected my dd has had a few surname changes only one official and one "known as" her birth name and her changed name are not linked even via her "known as" name her deed effectively wipes out 10 years

It's not transphobic to point this stuff out - safeguarding must take precedence over mens fetishes. As soon as transgender became an umbrella term covering crossdressers you get this problem. It obvious. There are people who are genuinely feeling they are born in the wrong body - which is personal and medical matter but then there are these obvious chancers who are getting off on parading their fetishes in court for all to see - and if anyone points it out they are vilified!

Every month it seems another one of these criminals is being named as a woman.

Just found this

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10349699/Judges-told-BAN-press-reporting-transgender-defendants-previous-name.html

Secret hearings????
This is a scandal.

Yeah it’s a nightmare. This was never what the gender recognition law was intended for. It was for a v small number of people who had severe gender dysphoria, not any person who claimed their personality matches the opposite sex (which is meaningless anyway because how can you know how the opposite sex feels if you’re not them?). We should have knocked it on the head then. We don’t think that guy who says he’s a 5 yo girl is actually 5, so why do we pretend he’s female? This and that stupid American guy who won the swimming race ‘as a woman’ just illustrates what a piss-take this all is.

And nobody has been able to properly explain why a man can claim to feel like a woman and therefore BE a woman but a white person can’t feel black and an old person can’t feel young etc. Why is gender such an exception?

@MarshmallowFondant

Disagree.

Naming these people as women, and referring to them as "she" or "her", along with a picture of the perpetrator, will drive it home to people how the whole idea of self-identification is fundamentally flawed and puts women at serious risk.

Personally I prefer the way that the DM avoided using male pronouns for the Northwich case, yet also steered clear of the (false) female ones.

They simply referred to Goodier as "the Pervert".

Yanbu. It really fucks statistics too if these crimes get recorded as committed by women.

@Idontgiveaf324

Yeah it’s a nightmare. This was never what the gender recognition law was intended for. It was for a v small number of people who had severe gender dysphoria, not any person who claimed their personality matches the opposite sex (which is meaningless anyway because how can you know how the opposite sex feels if you’re not them?). We should have knocked it on the head then. We don’t think that guy who says he’s a 5 yo girl is actually 5, so why do we pretend he’s female? This and that stupid American guy who won the swimming race ‘as a woman’ just illustrates what a piss-take this all is.

And nobody has been able to properly explain why a man can claim to feel like a woman and therefore BE a woman but a white person can’t feel black and an old person can’t feel young etc. Why is gender such an exception?

Thing is that virtually none of these cases involve someone with a GRC. So they are all legally male. There is no self-ID law in the UK, yet our judiciary are practicing it by the back door.