To think that men shouldn't be named as women in newspapers if they have committed sexual offences?

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Just that really - I'm seeing more and more newspaper reports where women are being implicated in weird sexual crimes and the you see the picture and it's obviously a man.

Now I totally get that if someone is transitioning it's polite to call them by their preferred name etc - but AIBU to think that some of these criminals are just taking the piss?

Here are some recent examples - and there are loads more.

www.northwichguardian.co.uk/news/19802592.northwich-woman-jailed-cocaine-fuelled-sex-dog/

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10339797/amp/Thumb-sucking-paedophile-claims-identify-five-year-old-girl-comes-court-dressed-ELF.html

How can anyone think this is ok? And will these "women" end up in women's prisons out of politeness?

"And I also want to understand how to tell genuine transwomen from men pretending to be transwomen."

If all you need to be a genuine transwoman is a feeling, however fleeting, there is absolutely no way of knowing who is "genuine" and who isn't. That's why opening up women's safe spaces to any man who says he "feels" like a woman is so dangerous.

YANBU Absolutely not! These are men and should be recorded as being male sex regardless of their gender identity (and whether it not it is genuine or just a way to avoid male prison / get access to women). Their crimes should be recorded as male crimes otherwise statistics will
become corrupted and meaningless.

I nearly spat my tea out at the first mugshot 😬

100% wrong to be calling them women. They're vile, sorry excuses for humans and should definitely be referred to as male.

As for the paedophile who refers to himself as a 5yr old girl... Well, he should be shot.

@ppeony

Out of interest, do many of you talk openly about how you feel about this, or do you fear being called a TERF etc?

I am more and more open about my opinions with each day that passes. I’m no longer frightened of being called a TERF when the alternative is worse - that women’s rights are torn to shreds. As it stands my whole family know (and agree), my good friends, some colleagues, the school my children attend and my MP. And you lot

“How can you tell that those offenders were transwomen and not just men pretending to be women?”

Mmmm, that’s where self identification is so useful.

If these men claiming to be women use their penis during the sexual assault they are arrested for then they should be prosecuted as and referred to as a man. They were using male genitalia to commit the crime. If they truly believed they were women they would not be using their penis to commit these crimes. There for treat them like the scum they are and if these men still claim to be women then chop their dick off. Won't be able to rape another woman again. It's one thing being trans gender it's snother using it to get away with crime or to try minimising it. If they go to a female prison that's lots of potential victims.

I'm afraid you'll find that lots of TRAs say that a penis isn't necessarily male genitalia. They say there is such a thing as a female penis. I kid you not.

What is the definition of transition if not for a change to have taken place...can a transwomen and transman actually exist?

Unless DNA can be exchanged, but there is no way for this to happen.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4444977-USA-Almost-50-of-Trans-Inmates-in-Federal-Custody-for-Sex-Offences

Delphinium has just posted this on FWR. "According to the document, 48.47% of biological male inmates identifying as women are in federal custody for sex offences, compared to just 4.71% of biological females identifying as men, and 11.2% of the non-transgender male population of federal inmates in general."

So in the US either
(1) transwomen are more likely to be sexual offenders than men; or
(2) men who are sexual offenders are claiming to be trans.

By allowing criminals to self-identify and not keeping correct data in relation to sex (as well as trans identity), we will never know which, but one must be true.

Most likely a combination of 1 and 2. It isn't necessarily either/or.

Sexual predators will lie to get access to girls and women, so a mix could happen. This is the key issue, any man could be a sexual predator and it doesn't matter which out of the 100s of genders criminals select, no male should be in female spaces.

@Moolia

I'm afraid you'll find that lots of TRAs say that a penis isn't necessarily male genitalia. They say there is such a thing as a female penis. I kid you not.

This has been going on for ages - "female penis" is supposed to be something we are all accepting of "girl dick" is the term I've seen being used.

medium.com/@transphilosophr/what-is-girldick-9363515e0bfd

This makes me so fucking angry.

What TRAS don't realise is that the legal definition of rape is with a penis. A woman therefore CANNOT RAPE. She can assault, digitally penetrate, etc, but rape is with a PENIS. So are we now going to have a sudden increase in women commiting rape? Which, as the law stands, is not possible?

Watch them try to tie themselves in knots explaining that one.

@PollyPepper

This makes me so fucking angry.

What TRAS don't realise is that the legal definition of rape is with a penis. A woman therefore CANNOT RAPE. She can assault, digitally penetrate, etc, but rape is with a PENIS. So are we now going to have a sudden increase in women commiting rape? Which, as the law stands, is not possible?

Watch them try to tie themselves in knots explaining that one.

So we are being told several things:

"Women have penises. Therefore women can rape with penises."

"Why can't you accept women rape other people and that can sometimes happen with objects like dildos."

"Transwomen are more vulnerable than women in prison."

Society has gone crazy.
What a fucking mess.

@PollyPepper

This makes me so fucking angry.

What TRAS don't realise is that the legal definition of rape is with a penis. A woman therefore CANNOT RAPE. She can assault, digitally penetrate, etc, but rape is with a PENIS. So are we now going to have a sudden increase in women commiting rape? Which, as the law stands, is not possible?

Watch them try to tie themselves in knots explaining that one.

''reports of more women committing sexual crimes coincide with shifts in how crime statistics data are being collected.'' www.womenarehuman.com/are-women-really-committing-more-sex-offences-now/

I don't think men convicted of sexual or violent offences should be allowed to change their legal gender, and dont see how that could be a controversial opinion.

The In order for your last sentence to happen it has to be accepted that no-one can change their legal gender.

That is the only way forward.

We can begin this uphill struggle by refusing to use chosen pronouns, refusing to buy from shops that allow men into women's changing rooms and boycotting any women events/prizes such as sporting events or The Booker Prize that allow men to enter.

We can also support JK Rowling and other brave souls who speak out.

I think this is the main reason I no longer go with 'live and let live', and think its time to repeal the GRA completely. They should have just legalised gay marriage instead of creating a legal fiction thats a safeguarding nightmare.

@MarshmallowFondant

Disagree.

Naming these people as women, and referring to them as "she" or "her", along with a picture of the perpetrator, will drive it home to people how the whole idea of self-identification is fundamentally flawed and puts women at serious risk.

What I'm thinking. It's a good thing the first thing you see is a picture of the woman in question.

YANBU at all.

I am just thinking aloud here (totally uneducated/ researched) but I wonder if there is always going to be an alarming percentage of men who identify as women as sex offenders/ rapists/ paedophiles. Placing an unusually high importance on gender and sexualised feelings relating to gender. The identity as a woman in particular relating to societal understandings as being meek, mild, submissive etc. But with a penis. Is this part of the allure? I find this all very very worrying. Terrifying in fact that they can call themselves 'women' and society is ok with this, because 'its how they feel'.
I am not saying ALL men who identify as a woman, just to clarify.

It's true that it's laughable when people see a picture of a man under the headline, 'Woman Guilty of Sex Attack" and they will laugh-it would make a cat laugh.

But all that laughing and incredulous shaking of heads counts for nothing if it is allowed to go on. Many people won't even think of the implications for their daughters.

That is why we each have to act in our own small way.

www.heraldscotland.com/politics/19823487.stuart-waiton-need-debate-trans-inmates/

Interesting article in the Herald which unfortunately is behind a paywall. However, it does end with the statement that sorting out the problem has to start with recognising that transwomen are not women.

With reference to crime figures, I read some time ago that the Inspector of Prisons in Canada had stated that of the male prisoners seeking transfer to female prisons, some 60% had been convicted of sex offences.

@TameDucksAtChatsworth

The In order for your last sentence to happen it has to be accepted that no-one can change their legal gender.

That is the only way forward.

We can begin this uphill struggle by refusing to use chosen pronouns, refusing to buy from shops that allow men into women's changing rooms and boycotting any women events/prizes such as sporting events or The Booker Prize that allow men to enter.

We can also support JK Rowling and other brave souls who speak out.

I agree. Women need to actively speak now and put pressure on our MP/MSPs and not back down on this.

This is something that cannot be allowed to be relegated to the feminism section of Mumsnet and hidden from other women.

We are all needed in order to protect our daughters - we cannot protect women from men erasing them from life or from men brutally raping them if we cannot define what a man and a woman is.

Right now JKR and other women are putting their careers and their safety on the line for us.

"Be Kind" is doublespeak for "I am a man with a sexual fetish. Let me do what I want or you will be punished."

A year ago this thread would most likely have been deleted.

The world is waking up to the the actual impact of allowing any male to self ID as a woman.

These are not our crimes.