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To think DH is selfish denying the DC Christmas?

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ohganggang · 16/12/2021 21:35

Been together 7 years, married for 5. We have a 4 year old DD, a 2 year old DS and I'm pregnant with out 3rd. DH was raised as a Jehovah's Witness, they do not celebrate Christmas as they believe it is satanic. The religion has a shunning policy and DH got shunned by his family and friends when it came out he was in a relationship with a non-JW (me) at the start of our relationship as that is forbidden. He is essentially dead to his mum, dad and siblings.

DH had stopped believing in the religion long before I came on the scene and was just keeping up pretenses for his family until he got found out. He is now as atheist as they come. He has a lot of religious trauma from his childhood, from growing up believing the world was about to end, watching the kids at his school celebrating Christmas and 'knowing' they were going to be killed in Armageddon for it (they teach that God will kill literally everybody who isn't a JW, no exceptions), being taught that the world is run by Satan etc etc. He lived his childhood in perpetual fear. I have advised him to seek counselling and he won't.

He now rejects anything to do with religion, and can't be doing with Christmas. He actually gets depressed every year around the Christmas season and says it's because it brings up the trauma of his childhood. Because of this, we've never bothered with Christmas together. For the first couple of years of the relationship before living together, marriage and DC I'd just go to my family on Christmas Day as usual. Christmas 2017 after DD was born, we stayed home and did nothing and it was the first year I didn't do anything for Christmas. Me and DH had a conversation that year and he said he doesn't want to do Christmas with our kids as it will trigger his trauma and remind him of the childhood joy he missed out on. He also wants the kids to be completely atheist and have nothing to do with religion. I accepted that.

But DD is now 4, and in pre-school, and the pre-school is making a huge deal out of Christmas coming up soon. I find this problematic because obviously it causes issues for families like mine but we're in a small town with not much cultural diversity so I think they've assumed all of the kids will be celebrating at home. They absolutely haven't considered some families might not be celebrating Christmas and I've debated raising a complaint, but that's another thread. Naturally, the talk of a Christmas nativity, the kids being hyped up about an upcoming Christmas 'party' and general encouragement for the kids to talk about Christmas among themselves, has resulted in DD getting excited for Christmas.

I have told DH today that I don't think it's fair on the kids and that I don't think it's right to project his trauma on to the kids. To me it seems like a case of "I didn't get to have Christmas so why should my kids?". I do understand his trauma though. I tried to compromise saying we don't have to decorate the house but I am doing presents for the kids and me and the kids will go to my parents on the day to celebrate and he can stay at home. He says no, that he isn't comfortable with his kids having "that religious bullshit in their lives". I'm really annoyed with him.

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Santahatesbraisedcabbage · 16/12/2021 21:47

Well take religion out of it. Elf on the shelf. Top of the pops Xmas songs and no carols. Or Ltb and have your own Christmas.. Or imo he shouldn't get to be a df and be so cruel.

GoodnightGrandma · 16/12/2021 21:50

What are his good points ?

dementedpixie · 16/12/2021 21:51

Christmas doesn't have to be a religious celebration; it certainly isn't in our house as none of us follow any religion. You can make it about Santa/Father Christmas or just about making people feel loved by giving them presents and making a lovely meal to show you care.

theworldsgonefeckingmad · 16/12/2021 21:52

LTB

All he is doing is trying to give his children the same traumatic childhood he had, they will hate Christmas because of the bad memories of back to school everyone talking about it and they will be the only ones who haven't had a Christmas Sad

MatildaIThink · 16/12/2021 21:53

Christmas has nothing to do with religion for the majority who celebrate it, most people have grown out of religion and enjoy Christmas for thr Focus on friends, family and children having fun.

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 16/12/2021 21:54

Given that Christmas existed (under another name) before Christianty/other religions formed, surely it can be enjoyed for what it is - a celebration of joy and love in the depths of midwinter.

Nanny0gg · 16/12/2021 21:54

Well, he can do what he likes.

I'd be getting a tree and presents and he can join in or not

Pinkflipflop85 · 16/12/2021 21:55

I can't get past the part about you raising a complaint...

Did you tell them that you didn't want dc involved in all of the Christmas stuff or did you just expect them to be psychic?

As for DH - he sounds like he's being a complete dick. If he has issues around this he should be getting support for it. Not ruining things for his family.

Aquamarine1029 · 16/12/2021 21:55

Your husband is doing the same thing his parents did, does he not realise this? He is weaonising religion, even as a now atheist.

PermanentTemporary · 16/12/2021 21:55

Difficult one. I get that he hates Christmas and why. But there isn't really any such thing as a secular state school in the UK. His children will get told the outline Christian story.

Has he considered that he's still imposing a rigid framework on his children's lives - just a different one? Would he consider a parenting course with you to explore some of these issues and share thoughts with other parents?

biggirlknickers · 16/12/2021 21:55

His argument makes no sense - he hates Christmas because of the trauma of his childhood when he missed the joy of Christmas, so his children have to suffer the same trauma? This literally makes no sense.

Spongeboob · 16/12/2021 21:55

Christmas has never been about religion in my family. Surely it's just magic for the kids? There's such little time that they'll be excited and full of wonder. What does that have to do with religion? It's their childhood. Who is he to ruin it by putting his foot down? They have years to be dismissive. Childhood is about enjoying that innocence. You don't have to apply bullshit to it. Mummy and Daddy got the presents. They created the atmosphere. It's that simple.

Tonkerbea · 16/12/2021 21:56

He's being so selfish, he should put his kids first, that's what a good dad does. I sympathise with his trauma, but he needs to stop refusing counselling and help himself.

DismantledKing · 16/12/2021 21:56

I’m sorry, but he sounds like an absolute wanker.

"I didn't get to have Christmas so why should my kids?”

How dare he take out his issues on his children.

DismantledKing · 16/12/2021 21:57

He’s fucking cruel, and you’re complicit for putting up with it to the extent that you have.

biggirlknickers · 16/12/2021 21:57

I feel sad for your DC.

FlowerFlour · 16/12/2021 21:57

he said he doesn't want to do Christmas with our kids as it will trigger his trauma and remind him of the childhood joy he missed out on.

So he knows missed out on childhood joy and his coping mechanism is to ensure his children also miss out on childhood joy? Has he really thought this logic through?

You don't have to go to church or sing carols, but the children should get to have a festive time. He is doing to your kids the exact same as his parents did to him. If he were mine I'd tell him to get therapy or get divorced. Your children only have one childhood, don't let him ruin it by being a misery.

Dogscanteatonions · 16/12/2021 21:57

He's being terribly selfish - can you get through to him that he's inflicting the same unbending attitude on his kids that he suffered as a child? I.e. it's my way or the highway?

I have friends I grew up with (and witnessed closely the trauma they went through,) who were raised JW and subsequently left. They would NEVER do this to their families.

He doesn't have to participate but you and the kids absolutely can. If he is adamant that he doesn't want this to happen this would be a deal-breaker for him. He's being as bad as the JW were to him

DorothyZbornakIsAQueen · 16/12/2021 21:57

Does he not realise that he is going to make history repeat itself.

By not getting counselling etc., he seems to be wallowing in self pity and he wants his own children to suffer.

Selfish prick.

DdraigGoch · 16/12/2021 21:57

It's been a long time since Christmas was a religious festival for most people. I would try and convince him to treat it as the "childhood he never had".

ButYouGottaHaveASkillJeff · 16/12/2021 21:58

@DismantledKing

He’s fucking cruel, and you’re complicit for putting up with it to the extent that you have.

Yeah sorry, but this.

5foot5 · 16/12/2021 21:58

Well the DC have two parents so why should his wishes override yours.

I think taking the DC to your parents for a normal Christmas is a good compromise. When they get older I think you should be able to explain that Daddy wasn't brought up to celebrate Christmas but Mummy was.

Bigdreamer9 · 16/12/2021 21:58

I understand both sides. Why don’t you talk to him about some family traditions you could start for the children. Doesn’t have to be directly related to Christmas, for example we never had a traditional Christmas dinner, we all got to pick one favourite thing and we had a mish mash of that family style for dinner. It was brilliant x

curtains15 · 16/12/2021 21:59

Poor kiddies. Christmas isn't about religion for a lot of people. it is such a magical time for children and it doesn't last for many years before it becomes less magical. your oh won't understand this as he never got to experience it but he can't take that away from your children. I don't think I could stay with someone like this if they were not able to compromise. he is being incredibly selfish.

SometimesMaybe · 16/12/2021 21:59

In this country Christmas is a cultural as well as or indeed instead of a religious celebration. You get to pick the bits you want - celebrate the joy of giving and family time, a break from the usual strains and day to day grinds, enjoy the light in a dark time of year.

Your dh is doing the same to your children as his parents did to him. It’s quite cruel.

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