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To think DH is selfish denying the DC Christmas?

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ohganggang · 16/12/2021 21:35

Been together 7 years, married for 5. We have a 4 year old DD, a 2 year old DS and I'm pregnant with out 3rd. DH was raised as a Jehovah's Witness, they do not celebrate Christmas as they believe it is satanic. The religion has a shunning policy and DH got shunned by his family and friends when it came out he was in a relationship with a non-JW (me) at the start of our relationship as that is forbidden. He is essentially dead to his mum, dad and siblings.

DH had stopped believing in the religion long before I came on the scene and was just keeping up pretenses for his family until he got found out. He is now as atheist as they come. He has a lot of religious trauma from his childhood, from growing up believing the world was about to end, watching the kids at his school celebrating Christmas and 'knowing' they were going to be killed in Armageddon for it (they teach that God will kill literally everybody who isn't a JW, no exceptions), being taught that the world is run by Satan etc etc. He lived his childhood in perpetual fear. I have advised him to seek counselling and he won't.

He now rejects anything to do with religion, and can't be doing with Christmas. He actually gets depressed every year around the Christmas season and says it's because it brings up the trauma of his childhood. Because of this, we've never bothered with Christmas together. For the first couple of years of the relationship before living together, marriage and DC I'd just go to my family on Christmas Day as usual. Christmas 2017 after DD was born, we stayed home and did nothing and it was the first year I didn't do anything for Christmas. Me and DH had a conversation that year and he said he doesn't want to do Christmas with our kids as it will trigger his trauma and remind him of the childhood joy he missed out on. He also wants the kids to be completely atheist and have nothing to do with religion. I accepted that.

But DD is now 4, and in pre-school, and the pre-school is making a huge deal out of Christmas coming up soon. I find this problematic because obviously it causes issues for families like mine but we're in a small town with not much cultural diversity so I think they've assumed all of the kids will be celebrating at home. They absolutely haven't considered some families might not be celebrating Christmas and I've debated raising a complaint, but that's another thread. Naturally, the talk of a Christmas nativity, the kids being hyped up about an upcoming Christmas 'party' and general encouragement for the kids to talk about Christmas among themselves, has resulted in DD getting excited for Christmas.

I have told DH today that I don't think it's fair on the kids and that I don't think it's right to project his trauma on to the kids. To me it seems like a case of "I didn't get to have Christmas so why should my kids?". I do understand his trauma though. I tried to compromise saying we don't have to decorate the house but I am doing presents for the kids and me and the kids will go to my parents on the day to celebrate and he can stay at home. He says no, that he isn't comfortable with his kids having "that religious bullshit in their lives". I'm really annoyed with him.

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RockinHorseShit · 18/12/2021 09:01

We'll he can piss right off... traumatised by no xmases as a kid & wants to pass that legacy on to his own kids, what a nasty self centred, selfish assed wanker. He needs to grow up

VeganCheesePlease · 18/12/2021 09:07

I'd be doing Christmas things with the kids and advising you understand if he doesn't want to join. Christmas Dinner, the tree, chocolate, decorations, games- none of those things have to be religious. I do feel for him but I also do agree with you that he's depriving his kids and it's not fair.

lottiegarbanzo · 18/12/2021 09:37

Yes, he's just another domineering zealot.

Movinghouseatlast · 18/12/2021 09:47

He absolutely needs therapy. His view makes no sense at all, he is making his children miss out as much as he did.

I feel sorry for him though- his parents have well and truly fucked him uo.

Spanglemum · 18/12/2021 09:55

The Easter bunny is nothing to do with Christianity.

MOmiMa · 18/12/2021 10:08

Do what we do- Soft Christmas. No church, no prayers, just presents and a party. If DH doesn't even like that, have a talk with him and then take your DCs to your family on your own. You can't deprive DCs of magic of Christmas imo.
Your DH feels what he feels, he needs counselling to get over his childhood trauma.

mam0918 · 18/12/2021 11:06

People giving their stories, I'm not an ex-JW so don't have any personal story but my best friend in my teens was ex-JW.

I actually didn't know for the first year that he was, it popped up in convocation about how he hadn't seen his family in 3 years.

When asked why it turns out he was raised JW (never would have guessed he was an old-school style punk so very un-JW) and apparently specific medical treatments were 'banned'.

He was sick around 16 and choose to accept the life-saving treatment rather than die and hasn't seen or heard from any of his family since.

He never told us anything more about his life as a JW or life before 16 but he clearly had demons he was trying to bury.

He spiraled and by his early 20s was a heroin addict then passed away before 30 - it was sad to watch happen.

amoosee · 18/12/2021 14:12

I understand that the cycle of abuse is hard to break and that being part of a cult has a lifelong impact, but his attitude is helping no one. OP, go to your parents. He has no right to stop you.

TheNoodlesIncident · 18/12/2021 17:28

The concern I would have is that OP's DH doesn't want therapy, he doesn't want to change how he feels about this issue, he doesn't want his children to experience the fun mid-winter festival that so many people want to have. He's still immersed in the whole JW shebang if he accesses their ramblings daily so he can discuss and chew it over again and again.

For that reason, I'd be out. If he wanted to fix this so everyone was happy, then I'd want to support him to help this happen. But he doesn't, he wants to dictate to OP what happens in their house. He dictates that she doesn't take their two dc to her parents to experience it there. He is very controlling and dictatorial. I had a stepfather like that, and it would be a cold day in hell before I allowed a person to blight my family life like he did.

It's possible to not do Christmas without its being abusive. Lots of people manage it, their children don't feel traumatised by its absence because their parents manage their beliefs without brimstone and hellfire. This man is not doing that, he's simply riding roughshod over OP's feelings because that suits what he wants. (Which seems to be continuing to obsess over what JW are doing!) I would be calling time on this, as he's not prepared to change his views. His decision to ban Christmas for his children because he didn't have any celebrations just stinks. Angry YANBU OP

ThatNameAgainItsMrPlow · 18/12/2021 18:13

@PeacheyPeach

JW are not a cult. Following the Bible's guidance and standards does not make them a cult. There is nothing extremest about them. You don't need to feel sorry for the children who are being brought up in happy families, most will have lovely settled lives being brought up to be decent honest hard-working humans . Yes there will be cases of people with bad experiences that is usually because of the actual family/parents, this is very sad. How many people are walking around having had toxic upbringings ( who haven't been brought up as Jws) this is a fact of life and it's awful, this is the parents fault, Having a positive hope for the future is actually a nice thing to have, it helps to keep you grounded when the world is in such a mess.
They are a cult. HTH
RJnomore1 · 18/12/2021 18:45

@CaveMum you are right sorry - I should have said commemoration and definitely not celebration!

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