To ask you to see who girl guides support.

[RedCarpetRebellion]

www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10235539/amp/Girlguides-launch-probe-trans-Commissioner-58-saucy-dominatrix-style-picture.html

A woman sacked for speaking up for girls safety was replaced by this person.

Girl guides are not safe for girls. AIBU?

Funnily enough GG are removing all the pages on their Twitter account that reference that person. Probably on their website too.

Absolutely horrendous

There's a thread on the Feminism/Women's Rights board if anyone wants more information/further background: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4409035-A-trans-Identified-BDSM-fan-gun-nut-is-now-a-senior-leader-at-Girlguiding

Yuck

[quote Lammysaurus]There's a thread on the Feminism/Women's Rights board if anyone wants more information/further background: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4409035-A-trans-Identified-BDSM-fan-gun-nut-is-now-a-senior-leader-at-Girlguiding[/quote]
Thanks for linking.

I’m on the threads on fwr on this & in chat also.

But thought this should be seen by aibu regulars, who normally avoid fwr.

This is the everyday reality of buying into twaw. This is the safeguarding risk that LC was banned for speaking up about.

ALL posters/parents here should know the reality of this.

Parents wanna send their preteens off to girl guide camp, this is who girl guides trust with little girls. Everyone should know about this.

Oh my word!

Why am I unsurprised to hear a connection to Aimee Challenor?

Blimey!

Insane. Sick of this.

But thought this should be seen by aibu regulars, who normally avoid fwr.

This is the everyday reality of buying into twaw. This is the safeguarding risk that LC was banned for speaking up about.

Just a thought but if you're trying to appeal to those who normally avoid that board, you might want to explain who 'LC' is and what 'twaw' means.

Not being a dick, it's just that it won't make sense to a lot of people unless you use the full words.

www.girlguiding.org.uk/globalassets/docs-and-resources/programme-and-activities/lets-talk-about-sex-and-relationships-advice-for-leaders.pdf

If parents buy into transwomen being actual women then the transwoman in the daily Mail article could be handing out condoms to your 13 year old daughter on GG camp, endorsed by the GG policy above.

This isn’t some unexpected one off. GG policies sexualise children and place male bodies people in a position of trust over these girls, handing them condoms on GG camp. Following GG policy.

I feel sad about this. Yy Girlguiding deserve all the negative publicity and hopefully this will create more pressure on them to reconsider.
But I also feel this has been deliberate targeting by TRAs and MRAs. Girlguiding was brilliant at saying no to male members. They were amazing at carving out a space for girls and empowering them to enforce their boundaries. And then somewhere funding requirements and aggressive lobbying blew all that away. They threw away everything they stood for and let's be honest TRAs and MRAs don't give a shit about the principles of Girlguiding. They just didn't want an area where women and girls were supported to have boundaries. They wanted to stamp all over women's and girls' rights to say 'no'. It's a disgrace.

Thanks RedCarpetRebellion. I agree; it belongs on AIBU too; people post here all the time for visibility on topics others might not know about. And this is a topic for all parents. Thanks for posting it here.

I wasn't meaning to imply that your post/topic shouldn't be here on AIBU-- just that people who saw it here and were concerned or interested might also like the FWR thread even if they may not routinely look at that board.

OMG why do people have to push sex at children? I thought there was some kind of social media policy for girl guides?? Are their leaders supposed to pose in dominatrix gear?

I am really disturbed by the link to the convicted child molester as well .

But why would this person hand out condoms to 13 year olds @RedCarpetRebellion ?? Is that even legal? That wasn’t in the article? Are you sure you got that right?

My niece is in GG . I don’t know how to tell SIL, my niece loves GG and the badges. But the vetting procedures for staff appears to be non existent.

But why would this person hand out condoms to 13 year olds RedCarpetRebellion ?? Is that even legal? That wasn’t in the article? Are you sure you got that right?

From www.girlguiding.org.uk/globalassets/docs-and-resources/programme-and-activities/lets-talk-about-sex-and-relationships-advice-for-leaders.pdf

Providing contraception
It is the policy of Girlguiding to make every effort to safeguard its members from physical, sexual and emotional harm while participating in guiding activities. We recognise that leaders have good knowledge of the girls in their units and are in the best position to judge whether or not it is appropriate to carry barrier contraception
(for example condoms, female condoms) with them on residential events or keep them at the meeting place.

For girls aged 13 and over
If a unit leadership team decides that it is appropriate to carry barrier contraception with them on residentials, or to keep them in the meeting place, this is their decision and Girlguiding supports this. Equally, if it is decided that it is not necessary or required, Girlguiding supports the decision not to store barrier contraception.
It is important for any unit, however, if they decide to store barrier contraception, to make this known to parents and carers and girls before the event. Before barrier contraception is given to a young member, Girlguiding requires that a leader should consider the Fraser Guidelines (see page 8).
Regularly check that stored barrier contraception are in date.

For girls aged under 13
Girls aged under 13 should not be given contraception as they are not legally deemed to be capable of consenting to sexual activity, and in the whole of the UK (except in Jersey), it is an absolute offence to have sex with a girl under 13 (see ‘The law related to sex and young people’, page 3). In this case, you cannot promise confidentiality, and you must pass on information if you have reason to believe a girl is having, or is being pressured to have sex.

My best friend had a baby at 13. Most of my friends were having sex at that age. I wish guides had given out condoms

It makes me sad too. I loved guiding as a movement and put my girls into it originally. But I think whereas transactivists will move onto the "next thing" to destroy that leaves so much damage and so many wjth a history to the movement. Its women that suffer of course :(

Its from the top down, the management is intentionally using guides to carry out its ageda which angers me. It isn't from the ranks of local guiders that have served for years.

@Insidelaurashead

My best friend had a baby at 13. Most of my friends were having sex at that age. I wish guides had given out condoms

I had plenty friends who had babies young. I was having sex young.

We knew we could get condoms from the school nurse when she was in or from local health centre.

It’s entirely inappropriate and very poor safeguarding for other adults to be giving them out. Trained and licences HCP absolutely, but GG or teaches or kids sport coaches or church leaders etc giving them out is a huge safeguarding red flag. If kids asked GG and they pointed them in the direction of HCP that’s fine, but personally handing them over is a line they shouldn’t be crossing.

The policy linked above also covers sex Ed. The DfE are very very clear in their PHSE policy that parents are responsible for children sex Ed and that only very well trained teachers following a strict policy should be delivering this in schools to compliment that. The idea GG think this is their place is horrifying. The one place girls had to be with just girls without the sexual pressures that exist in every other area of life and GG thought it was a good idea to throw that away…..

Trans boys and non binary females should be included.

Transwomen and transgirls have scouts which is mixed sex. They can be transgirls there without needing to take away the only organisation solely for girls.

Agree. But its all across those that run guides isn't it. Regardless what all the loyal guiders views are.

And they're silencing Facebook groups etc the conversation literally can't happen within the movement. All talk of it is "transphobic".

I think gg will just make this disaapear on SM and crack on. The leadership won't change from their very entrenches views (activists...)

@WholeClassKeptIn

Agree. But its all across those that run guides isn't it. Regardless what all the loyal guiders views are.

And they're silencing Facebook groups etc the conversation literally can't happen within the movement. All talk of it is "transphobic".

I think gg will just make this disaapear on SM and crack on. The leadership won't change from their very entrenches views (activists...)

Agree. Their policies make that obvious.

Girls aren’t safe in GG. Parents need to know this.

It doesn’t matter that GG want it to disappear. It won’t. It will have been archived and will be pulled out again and again when discussing the lack of safeguarding in the organisation. They need to vet the people within the organisation and stop focusing on diversity points. There are bad eggs within every walk of life.

I am trying to get my head around this. Thank you for the explanation OP.

I am very trans supportive but this is wrong. Regardless of whether you are trans or not, a girl guide leader should not pose in dominatrix dress on social media. That is horrific. Teachers aren’t allowed to do that surely? Doesn’t GG have any similar rules?

I am also very unhappy with the condoms. The only people who should discuss anything related to sex with children are parents or teachers under safeguarding guidelines. GG is a place to get away from sexual pressures on girls in a girls only environment.

I would not have expected any risk of anything sexually inappropriate at GG. Why do they need condoms on residentials? Is this because they anticipate that some girls with penises has sex with some girls with vaginas? This is actually shocking.

It was only recently that someone posted that they were discussing sex and asexuality in the meetings for primary school children. I was very concerned about that as well and about the lack of safeguarding principles around that. Now they are handing out condoms on sleepovers and don’t tell the parents?

This organisation needs to be thoroughly investigated.