To ask you to see who girl guides support.

[RedCarpetRebellion]

www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10235539/amp/Girlguides-launch-probe-trans-Commissioner-58-saucy-dominatrix-style-picture.html

A woman sacked for speaking up for girls safety was replaced by this person.

Girl guides are not safe for girls. AIBU?

When the policy was changed by GG to allow boys who identify as girls to be allowed to join and parents not informed i raised the safeguarding risks with GG headquarters and got told tough they had to do this legally as males identify as girls are legally girls (not true) so had no choice. Although my daughter still attends she won't be going on any camps. I do trust her pack however I don't trust who they could mix with on the camp site.

My DM asked me recently about sending my daughter to GG and was shocked to find out what they had become. No way will I be sending my daughter. Its such a shame because I really enjoyed bunnies and brownies growing up in the 80s. It was nice to have one space just for girls but it seems we're not allowed those any more.

The situation with GG is deeply disturbing.

They've become so entrenched in gender ideology It puts them at great risk and it sends out a message that they come last.

I've followed the mess that GG is making for several years. Something is very rotten, yet girls, female leaders and volunteers, parents are being thrown under the bus in favour of men's rights and harmful gender ideology.

Another organisation, like the NSPCC, who've been 'captured' and will no doubt twist its narrative rather than risk being branded phobics.

The whole charade is sinister and dangerous.

@EverNapping

YABU - go back to the Feminism boards, that's what it's for

Why is this only for the feminist boards? Is it only feminists who care about the safety of their children?

I don’t go on the feminist boards but I want to know if my girls go on GG camps they may be given condoms because there is a possibility they could have sex, or even be raped.

As for the commissioner, if they were male, female or TW those pictures would be totally inappropriate and alarming.

Totally inappropriate and it’s a safeguarding red flag! This needs to be addressed!
What on earth has happens to the GG association?!?!?!?!

@EverNapping

YABU - go back to the Feminism boards, that's what it's for

This is a parenting issue.

Any mother, father or care needs to know this. I’m sure most would never think of reading GG policies or realise it’s no longer a single sex organisation. That’s why it needs to be here & in chat.

Parents need to know that sending their girls off with male leaders who will supply condoms to 13 year olds and share their single sex spaces.

This isn’t a feminist issue it’s a safeguarding one.

If feminism is the only movement to give a toss about child safeguarding, you can count me right in, and draw your own conclusions about those who sneer at it.

This is what the trans rights ideology ‘be kind’ means. It means girls and women are not allowed safeguarding or boundaries or single sex places.
Why have GG not been able to say ‘we are not transphobic, we welcome girls who identify as boys, but we are a single sex organisation. Gender identity does not trump biological sex in this particular group. Girls are allowed exclusively female groups to provide them some freedom away from the opposite sex’. It’s really not that hard to say, and it’s empowering to show girls that they’re ENTITLED to it. There’s nothing wrong with it. Give them some inkling of respect in their own sex, their own rights and their own activities.

It would also be entirely legal of GG to take that stance. It’s sad that they didn’t.

Very interesting that some think this should be hidden in FWR.

Why should the safeguarding of girls and the overt policy that sexualises girls as young as 13 be hidden away?

It's almost as though girls safety doesn't matter if it is trans inclusion that puts it at risk. Disgraceful.

Interestingly, for years people asked why Guiding remained female only when the Scouts had become mixed. The answer, as I seem to recall, was that boys just didn't want to join Guiding the way girls wanted to join Scouts. There simply wasn't the demand.

But now the demand has appeared and it is apparently so great that Guiding is relenting to it...except this new demand isn't from boys wanting to join Guides as boys, but male people wanting to be accepted as female, with no additional safeguarding to account for the fact that they are male.

What would Lady Olave Baden-Powell say?

They just don't get autogynophilia. What a thrill this peeve will be getting from.being in this role.

@EverNapping

YABU - go back to the Feminism boards, that's what it's for

You could simply report the thread and demand it be moved.

And we could all make our own assumptions about what you think about the safety of girls, of safeguarding.

Go to the OP and choose Report. It's easy enough to do!

@DrSbaitso yes. Girls wanted to join the scouts for the activities. So Socuts became a mixed sex organisation, with all the safeguarding that entails.

But men want to join the Guides as women. Girl Gudies have acquiesced and accepted them as wmen. So no safeguarding has been done as Guides remains single sex by dint of being single gender.

Which is why so many women stronly object to that change in terminology!

This is about safeguarding. An issue often highlighted by some now permanently banned posters. I doubt we could shout I told you so loudly enough!

Scouts and guides are totally separate organisations. Scouts became mixed sex in an effort to increase the numbers attending
Mixed sex is very different from treating male persons as female persons
Why do some posters not want this discussed?

Lockheart

Smokeahontas
Why am I unsurprised to hear a connection to Aimee Challenor?
She was one of 2,000 signatories on a letter written by Challenor. Hardly a connection.

Of course it’s a connection? Do you know what connection means?

@Wtfdoipick

When the policy was changed by GG to allow boys who identify as girls to be allowed to join and parents not informed i raised the safeguarding risks with GG headquarters and got told tough they had to do this legally as males identify as girls are legally girls (not true) so had no choice. Although my daughter still attends she won't be going on any camps. I do trust her pack however I don't trust who they could mix with on the camp site.

Anyone can read the equality act and see this isn’t true. Even when people have a grc single sex exemptions still apply.

It’s highly disingenuous for GG to claim that’s why.

Are some posters insane as well? Are we not allowed to discuss sexualisation of children on the main boards? This is a parenting website.

Either you are

a) so sensitive about sex that you don’t want to see it - in which case you need to find your spine and protect your children. Or,

b) finding it more important that some BDSM dressed, gun toting idiot can hand out condoms to 13 year old girls and put them in situations where they might be pregnant without them, and without parental knowledge!!!

If it is b), I honestly think your hard drive should be checked as well. We are discussing children. Our children and their safety.

@Beefcurtains79

Lockheart

Smokeahontas
Why am I unsurprised to hear a connection to Aimee Challenor?
She was one of 2,000 signatories on a letter written by Challenor. Hardly a connection.

Of course it’s a connection? Do you know what connection means?

I do, but the implication of a close connection to Challenor because this person signed one letter is false and unnecessary. Let's stick to the facts.

I've signed many open letters or petitions over the years, it doesn't mean I'm connected to any of the authors.

Why do some posters not want this discussed?

I think there are two possible reasons:

1. A lot of naturally left-leaning members of MN have bought wholesale into the trans lobby, mistaking it for an extension of the gay rights movement. They are too firmly entrenched now to admit that possibly it isn't the best idea to allow men free rein on female spaces.

1. They're plants from Stonewall and other lobby groups, trying to shut us up.

Girls aged under 13 should not be given contraception as they are not legally deemed to be capable of consenting to sexual activity

The age of consent is 16 in the UK. Not 13.

I think contraception should be available because when teens decide they're ready to have sex they'll find a way come hell or high water regardless of whether they're permitted to. That's why it's great to promote sexual health clinics usually run by medical professionals where it's safe for teens and adults to go.

But Christ, the age of consent is not fucking 13. It's 16.

@EverNapping

That’s potentially quite a sinister comment when you consider that a lack of awareness can result in young girls being put at massive risk…?

Women are tired of being cancelled labelled named and shamed just for bloody existing.

I for one hope the daily Mail do one of their campaigns highlighting how dangerous this is.

I’ve lost all respect for Guides association. What are they thinking??

My DD wants to join as she’s now old enough- and she will want to go to the camps. I’m trying to get my head around how the heck I tell her she can’t go on the camp.

I never thought I’d have this issue. I’m quite gutted for her.

Thanks to Mumsnet in the last month I’ve learnt (just in time) that my daughter is at a stonewall school (deceitful school trip practices) and now Guides isn’t necessarily safe either. For fucks sake!

I’m all for everyone being accepted as who they want to be BUT NOT AT THE EXPENSE OF GIRLS.

Lockheart

Beefcurtains79
Lockheart

Smokeahontas
Why am I unsurprised to hear a connection to Aimee Challenor?
She was one of 2,000 signatories on a letter written by Challenor. Hardly a connection.

Of course it’s a connection? Do you know what connection means?
I do, but the implication of a close connection to Challenor because this person signed one letter is false and unnecessary. Let's stick to the facts.

I've signed many open letters or petitions over the years, it doesn't mean I'm connected to any of the authors.

But no one said anything about a ‘close connection’ they just said ‘connection’ which is true.
If you often sign letters by people without checking their background and credentials then that’s on you I’m afraid.

@DrSbaitso

I was a Girl Guide. I'll be sending my daughter to Scouts.

The person in question is also involved in Scouting. As an inclusion advisor but given they posted a photo in uniform, probably in a youth facing role too.

But no one said anything about a ‘close connection’ they just said ‘connection’ which is true. If you often sign letters by people without checking their background and credentials then that’s on you I’m afraid.

I've signed letters in support of Graham Lineham, does that mean I'm connected to him? Because as far as I'm concerned I have no connection to him at all. I don't know him, I've never met him, never spoken to him.

Signing a letter someone has written does not give you a connection to that person.