To ask you to see who girl guides support.

[RedCarpetRebellion]

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A woman sacked for speaking up for girls safety was replaced by this person.

Girl guides are not safe for girls. AIBU?

Well yes if "girls with penises" are sharing tents/accomodation with "girls with vaginas" as per policy if being treated the same what do you think might happen?

It's a rather logical outworking. Really "girls with penises" shouldn't be sharing accomodation/tents with "girls with vaginas. " Girls with vaginas should be able to have their own safe space where they meet and camp etc eithout risk of pregnancy fromb"girls with penises.".

GG realky needs to be for "girls with vaginas" as if "girls with penises" are allowed everywhere "girls with vagjnas" are then yes condoms etc will need to be available. As will rape counselling etc.

There's a reason that for most of history "people with penises" had separate facilities to "people with vaginas. "

(If only there was a word for "people with vaginas" that acted as a shorthand and could help keep girls safe in situations like this. Language is so important.)

As a leader, it's infuriating that the words "I am a girl" are what distinguishes the safeguarding rules applicable to my sons. They're the same age as my unit, and as they get older it's easier to separate them off from my life in GG. When they were younger and came on residentials it was only viable where we had seperate accomodation/ toileting.

Hypothetically I could train them to say "I am a girl" and then they could share accomodation with their peers.

GG should be same-sex. Male unit helpers have been recognised for a long time mainly as spouses of Leaders that tend to regularly help in the logistics of camp and specialist activity advisors often overlapping with Scouting. That's clear and transparent.
If a member thinks that she may be a trans-boy, a same sex environment may be helpful in understanding her sex and gender expectations. There isn't a safeguarding threat in continuing to include female bodied trans-boys.

It is a top down activists issue and at this point isn't having much impact on individual units.

I was a Girl Guide. I'll be sending my daughter to Scouts.

@PumpkinGin

We can be respectful of trans people in day to day life, supportive of their right to not be discriminated against, and still recognise that women and girls have different needs and rights based on our sex.

No one is exempt from safeguarding laws.

We should never put girls at risk to ‘be kind’ to any group.

‘’If parents buy into transwomen being actual women then the transwoman in the daily Mail article could be handing out condoms to your 13 year old daughter on GG camp, endorsed by the GG policy above.

This isn’t some unexpected one off. GG policies sexualise children and place male bodies people in a position of trust over these girls, handing them condoms on GG camp. Following GG policy.’’

Fucking hell!

It feels like SOME trans people are slowing dismantling girls and women’s rights. Yet the trans woman I know would NEVER do this.

This makes me very nervous of my DC joining Guides in the near future. Are girls safe anywhere these days?

@RedCarpetRebellion

Trans boys and non binary females should be included.

Transwomen and transgirls have scouts which is mixed sex. They can be transgirls there without needing to take away the only organisation solely for girls.

Just confirming, since this is a point that often confuses outside the naughty corner of FWR, transboys = girls who are identifying as boys. Transgirls/TW are boys or men who identify as women. And yes, I agree entirely that all girls, however they currently identify, should be allowed into GG.

I'm so glad this has been picked up by MSM. This person should not be in a position of responsibility around children.

Where the hell is their due diligence? It took 2 minutes of googling to find all this and Sulley clearly stated they were a guide leader in their Twitter bio which has a very dodgy photo.

It's deeply deeply worrying.

I am very supportive of transpeople. I think it must be so hard to be uncomfortable with your body and want to change it.

But nobody is allowed to sexualise my children. This is the second time in a short period I hear about GG and inappropriate sex communications. First promoting asexuality (and the likely discussions about sex) and now a leader in BDSM gear on social media.

And the risk of my daughters having sex on a girl guide sleepover is something I hadn’t even considered. It is only girls. And now it seems the bastards planned so it could happen and parents wouldn’t find out as they would dish out condoms and not tell the parents. For 13 year olds. On a sleepover with girls with penises - are they discussing casual sex for 13 year olds as well?

These people are insane. They should have their hard drives checked. Every single one of them.

Brighthouse - but isn't that why we keep men away from girls in general /separate accomodation/toilets etc.

I don't think any of the men I know would abuse. But some do and it is safer to have some same sex spaces/let different sexes sleep separately etc.

A girls only organisation doesn't mean we think all men are dangerous. Similarly excluding male bodies isn't to say all male bodies are dangerous.

@Insidelaurashead

My best friend had a baby at 13. Most of my friends were having sex at that age. I wish guides had given out condoms

With respect, that is pretty unusual.

My best friend was also having sex at 13. We didn't need guides to give out condoms though because guides were a single sex organisation

@Insidelaurashead

My best friend had a baby at 13. Most of my friends were having sex at that age. I wish guides had given out condoms

I'd rather we had organisations that encourage girls NOT to be having sex at 13, quite frankly. But that probably makes me a pearl-clutcher of the highest order.

YABU - go back to the Feminism boards, that's what it's for

@Insidelaurashead

My best friend had a baby at 13. Most of my friends were having sex at that age. I wish guides had given out condoms

Did your friend conceive their child at an overnight guides camp?

@EverNapping

YABU - go back to the Feminism boards, that's what it's for

Even Owen Jones said the other week 'why aren't the feminists speaking out about X' when it was pointed out, they had been but he has blocked them all.

Feminism is for all women. Even those that don't even realise why it is there.

@EverNapping

YABU - go back to the Feminism boards, that's what it's for

Do you honestly believe that this is an issue only for feminists? Would you be saying that if your pre-teen daughter or niece came home pregnant from guide camp?

@Smokeahontas

Why am I unsurprised to hear a connection to Aimee Challenor?

She was one of 2,000 signatories on a letter written by Challenor. Hardly a connection.

@EverNapping

YABU - go back to the Feminism boards, that's what it's for

Children’s safeguarding is an issue exclusively for feminists?

That’s news to me.

Oh my goodness. I was a brownie in the 80s and have (had!) this fantasy I'd send my little baby when old enough to brownies and guides. This is shocking to me.

It's interesting to see which posters don't want parents on MN to see what is happening to safeguarding in GG.

@WholeClassKeptIn

Well yes if "girls with penises" are sharing tents/accomodation with "girls with vaginas" as per policy if being treated the same what do you think might happen?

It's a rather logical outworking. Really "girls with penises" shouldn't be sharing accomodation/tents with "girls with vaginas. " Girls with vaginas should be able to have their own safe space where they meet and camp etc eithout risk of pregnancy fromb"girls with penises.".

GG realky needs to be for "girls with vaginas" as if "girls with penises" are allowed everywhere "girls with vagjnas" are then yes condoms etc will need to be available. As will rape counselling etc.

There's a reason that for most of history "people with penises" had separate facilities to "people with vaginas. "

(If only there was a word for "people with vaginas" that acted as a shorthand and could help keep girls safe in situations like this. Language is so important.)

Absolutely spot on.

It's disgusting that Girl Guides even have this policy.

Girls should not be put in this position.