Compulsory Vaccine - What does it mean?

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Sorry for posting in AIBU but I know most traffic is here.

So reading the latest news headlines, Austria and Germany are making vaccines compulsory.

Can someone explain what this actually means? What are the consequences if someone refuses to be vaccinated. I appreciate I may sound thick here so I apologise in advance.

I am double vaccinated myself and will be booking my booster for January but I strongly disagree with people being forced to take something they don't want. Surely it sets a precedent for the future. What will the government try to force next?
Scary times ahead!

In Austria it’s 4 weeks in prison or a fine of I think €4k ish. And then the same again for each “booster.” Not sure where they’re going to suddenly find 2 million more prison spaces unless they’ve been building anything in secret again…

Anyone over the age of 12 who has not had two vaccines will be fined 1450e.

@SweetBabyCheeses99 they're not even suggesting boosters at all at the moment!

Can't see it happening over here. The natives will quite rightly protest.

Fines. Imprisonment. Losing your job. Losing your passport. Refused entry to shops, theatres etc and of course removal of healthcare.

Yes but I think it's just a suggestion at this point, it was on a news programme, I'll see if I can find the link.

Does Singapore have a better idea - to bill you for your healthcare if you're unvaccinated by choice and you end up in hospital needing treatment for Covid? I don't feel comfortable forcing people to have vaccines, but surely it's reasonable to say that with their choices come consequences? The NHS shouldn't have to be forking out thousands of pounds to save people who had been offered a free, simple vaccine which could have stopped them being admitted to hospital in the first case.

@521Jeanie

Does Singapore have a better idea - to bill you for your healthcare if you're unvaccinated by choice and you end up in hospital needing treatment for Covid? I don't feel comfortable forcing people to have vaccines, but surely it's reasonable to say that with their choices come consequences? The NHS shouldn't have to be forking out thousands of pounds to save people who had been offered a free, simple vaccine which could have stopped them being admitted to hospital in the first case.

Yeah, if we do go anywhere with this, I'd say this was the best way to pay for the extra care we'll need.

The intention seems to be to try a bunch of fines and prison terms, so I expect a raft more will be vaccinated but protests will go out of control, then they'll realise it's unenforceable madness and have to quietly stop. I say that as a Brit though, I've been very wrong before about what other countries will do or put up with (Spain locking kids inside for example). So, no idea.

@521Jeanie

Does Singapore have a better idea - to bill you for your healthcare if you're unvaccinated by choice and you end up in hospital needing treatment for Covid? I don't feel comfortable forcing people to have vaccines, but surely it's reasonable to say that with their choices come consequences? The NHS shouldn't have to be forking out thousands of pounds to save people who had been offered a free, simple vaccine which could have stopped them being admitted to hospital in the first case.

Singapore bill for everything anyway. But during the pandemic, Covid treatment was free.

I am pro vaccines but find these measures quite alarming.

Yeah, if we do go anywhere with this, I'd say this was the best way to pay for the extra care we'll need

How will someone that is on a low income pay for their Covid treatment? Or will they be left to die?

I’m pro vaccine but the idea of people being forced to be vaccinated gives me the chills. It will set a precedent for other things to be made compulsory and perhaps the removal of healthcare for other reasons (e.g lifestyle choices). Very worrying.

Sorry I didn't mean to cause alarm about Germany, it was just a clip I saw from a news channel (RND.de) and they were talking to a consitutional lawyer, Christian Pestalozza, about if it was legal and how it would be enforced. I don't know any of these people's credentials I just find it all quite worrying too.

Lol that isn't happening in Germany. Scaremongering at its finest.

I thought this was interesting in today's Guardian.

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/21/icu-is-full-of-the-unvaccinated-my-patience-with-them-is-wearing-thin?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

@XenoBitch

Yeah, if we do go anywhere with this, I'd say this was the best way to pay for the extra care we'll need

How will someone that is on a low income pay for their Covid treatment? Or will they be left to die?

They won't. The money raised from fining the unvaccinated would be used to mitigate the rising cost of supporting Covid care in general. Unless we moved to a system where everyone's contribution to their healthcare was individually worked out, which doesn't fit with our NHS model. The fines would be a kind of tax on vaccination status.

[quote LuluBlakey1]I thought this was interesting in today's Guardian.

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/21/icu-is-full-of-the-unvaccinated-my-patience-with-them-is-wearing-thin?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other[/quote]
An opinion piece. Why is this being posted on every other Covid thread like it is gospel?

I cannot believe the human rights abuses and coercive control measures ordinary EU states are implementing and making even more severe. I fear for the future, this is beyond some of the worst sci fi / dystopia fiction . Completely beyond acceptable and future generations will judge us for it.

@521Jeanie

Does Singapore have a better idea - to bill you for your healthcare if you're unvaccinated by choice and you end up in hospital needing treatment for Covid? I don't feel comfortable forcing people to have vaccines, but surely it's reasonable to say that with their choices come consequences? The NHS shouldn't have to be forking out thousands of pounds to save people who had been offered a free, simple vaccine which could have stopped them being admitted to hospital in the first case.

By that reasoning, anyone who smokes or drinks or does anything at all that may require healthcare eg having a baby should be treated the same way. You can't pick and choose!

An opinion piece. Why is this being posted on every other Covid thread like it is gospel?

It's fair enough to post opinion, surely? What do you disagree with here?