Compulsory Vaccine - What does it mean?

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Sorry for posting in AIBU but I know most traffic is here.

So reading the latest news headlines, Austria and Germany are making vaccines compulsory.

Can someone explain what this actually means? What are the consequences if someone refuses to be vaccinated. I appreciate I may sound thick here so I apologise in advance.

I am double vaccinated myself and will be booking my booster for January but I strongly disagree with people being forced to take something they don't want. Surely it sets a precedent for the future. What will the government try to force next?
Scary times ahead!

Answering the original post...

It means losing jobs, fines and being in lockdown for anything that's not basic - shopping for food, pharmacy and hospital.

The more people fight vaccination in the name of "personal choice" during a global health pandemic, the more countries are going to eventually make the vaccine compulsory.

I live in NSW (Australia) and we have 92% fully vaccinated over 16 and 76% over 12-15 years old. Our daily cases are between the high 100s and low 200s and we have a Covid passport. If a person is unvaccinated they can't go to restaurants, pubs or any shops that are not essential like shopping for clothes or shoes or TVs etc.

Work places are tightening the rules against the unvaccinated. A friend who made the choice not to have the vaccine has until February to do so, after that, she will let go. She's not working for government, she works in a private company without fronting public.

I said before and I will repeat again, that human rights are a political construct. We don't have them - just like people in Ethiopia don't have them. They can be taken away at any time during an exceptional public health emergency.

The more people see having a jab as a two second necessity when our economies, jobs and freedom movement depend on it, the less it will be necessary to make Covid vaccination compulsory.

It depends on us.

@IHateFlies

A slim healthy unvaccinated person is unlikely to need hospital treatment if they get covid. An obese person is more likely to need hospital treatment, possibly even if they are vaccinated.

I know a 37 year old who died earlier this year. She was unvaccinated but it was prior to vaccinations being widely available. She was slim and well. It was a complete and utter shock to her poor family who had of course assumed that she would be fine, even when she was admitted to hospital.

I don’t approve of compulsory vaccination but all of this nonsense about Covid only affecting obese people or those with underlying health conditions is bullshit.

IHateFlies
A slim healthy unvaccinated person is unlikely to need hospital treatment if they get covid. An obese person is more likely to need hospital treatment, possibly even if they are vaccinated
I'd rather go by what an actual nhs respiratory consultant says about who is in ICU with covid. Answer- unvaccinated people. www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/21/icu-is-full-of-the-unvaccinated-my-patience-with-them-is-wearing-thin?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Or you could look at French figures if you prefer

The rate of covid patients that are hospitalised is 7.57 per 100,000 people (in the week ending 14 November 2021 From Office of National Statistics)
I’m not trying to downplay it and at different times the number may be higher. The majority of people recover without being hospitalised.

Obviously, that’s down to vaccination but even at the height of covid, the majority of people were still recovering at home.
Those with comorbidities were at much higher risk of hospitalisation than those without.

@Ecina - can you provide a link about Australia doing that please?

[quote MRex]@Ecina - can you provide a link about Australia doing that please?[/quote]
www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/25/tinfoil-hat-wearing-tossers-nt-chief-minister-and-aboriginal-elders-hit-back-at-covid-false-information

Needless to say.

Might be a good idea to change some of your sources @Ecina, it looks like you're being fed false news.

I won't @ as I feel it lends to a tone I don't want to take. But there are overarching issues here which I would urge people to think about.
Whenever two contrasting pieces of evidence are considered, it is tempting to narrow focus (how many times does a PP argue against a point by simply saying 'are you a virologist?'!) but in febrile David and Goliath arguments, it is wrong to ignore the structural power relationships which colour the views of the majority.
So in the example of anthropogenic climate change, we seem finally to have reached a point where people at least pretend to care. That is a success for those of us who have battled for decades, but think of the way in which key figures are still treated by some: Greta Thunberg is always presented by those fighting to hold on to their power as a puppet, someone used to spread fear and false information. She is just the latest tool in a smear campaign which started with the 'hockey stick' graph - the argument being 'this one thing is wrong therefore all of it is wrong' - and carried on through the 'academics are paid to say this so can't be trusted'.
These views still exist, and in a substantial minority.
That is because those peddling them have a great deal more power and money than those they oppose, and it should not come as a shock that the media is complicit.
This is understandable at this end point of capitalism because media has to make money and some groups have more money than others. Most media will channel the cognitive dissonance of their audience, so eg will pretend to care about climate change but manipulatively link energy price rises to the 'green agenda'.
Or take the #metoo movement. Again, like climate change, the basic premise is now accepted: women tend to be believed. But that is recent, and secrets were kept for so long, again, because of the structural power relationships in play and enabled by the media.
Governments, global corporations, oligarchs, the rich and the powerful are not always on the right side of history. It is uncomfortable to human beings to fully accept that (as opposed to paying lip service to it) because we are herd animals and we need to be able to trust leaders - our equivalent of the gorilla silver back - to protect us.
However hard it is, it needs to be done. The growth of inequality over the last 20 years has been hastened disastrously over the last 20 months, where the largest ever transfer of power and wealth from poor to rich has been taking place at a rate and in a way that is still almost unimaginable. When the dispossessed speak against a prevailing narrative, all of us should be open to the possibility that there could be a grain of truth in what they say.

What a load of waffle. You posted fake news, the people who supposedly gave the information have said they did not and it's lies. Drop the conspiracy sources from your social media, there are more than enough real problems in the world and it's not good for you nor anyone else's mental health to sit about fretting over imagined events.