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Compulsory Vaccine - What does it mean?

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WheresYourIndicator · 21/11/2021 19:13

Sorry for posting in AIBU but I know most traffic is here.

So reading the latest news headlines, Austria and Germany are making vaccines compulsory.

Can someone explain what this actually means? What are the consequences if someone refuses to be vaccinated. I appreciate I may sound thick here so I apologise in advance.

I am double vaccinated myself and will be booking my booster for January but I strongly disagree with people being forced to take something they don't want. Surely it sets a precedent for the future. What will the government try to force next?
Scary times ahead!

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PurpleDaisies · 21/11/2021 20:08

Call to their doors?!

Yes, if that was what it took to get numbers up. I would do that.

Mynameismargot · 21/11/2021 20:11

@PurpleDaisies

Call to their doors?!

Yes, if that was what it took to get numbers up. I would do that.

It isn't realistic though is it? Call to every single house in the country(multiple times because not everyone will be home), ask if they are vaccinated and then vaccinate them if they are willing. The pandemic will be over by the time you manage that, certainly this Winter will be over.
XenoBitch · 21/11/2021 20:12

@PurpleDaisies

Call to their doors?!

Yes, if that was what it took to get numbers up. I would do that.

What does that mean? Knock on their door and ask for a chat? Or go barging in and pin them down?
PurpleDaisies · 21/11/2021 20:12

Public health have records of who is vaccinated. GPs know which of their patients aren’t vaccinated.
It doesn’t have to be going randomly.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 21/11/2021 20:13

It wouldn’t be every single house though would it? The majority are vaccinated.

PurpleDaisies · 21/11/2021 20:13

What does that mean? Knock on their door and ask for a chat? Or go barging in and pin them down?

Oh come on. You are being deliberately obtuse. Biscuit

XenoBitch · 21/11/2021 20:13

@PurpleDaisies

Public health have records of who is vaccinated. GPs know which of their patients aren’t vaccinated. It doesn’t have to be going randomly.
What would be aim of knocking on their door? Will the police be involved?
XenoBitch · 21/11/2021 20:15

@PurpleDaisies

What does that mean? Knock on their door and ask for a chat? Or go barging in and pin them down?

Oh come on. You are being deliberately obtuse. Biscuit

I really am not. Am just scared that anyone would advocate barging into someone's house and forcibly vaccinating them.
WonderfulYou · 21/11/2021 20:16

I am pro vaccines but find these measures quite alarming

I agree.
I’m double jabbed and think other people should be too but no way should people be forced in such an extreme way.

I think it will lead to fake vaccination certificates and criminals benefitting from making them.

PurpleDaisies · 21/11/2021 20:16

I really am not. Am just scared that anyone would advocate barging into someone's house and forcibly vaccinating them.

Go back and read my posts.

Over and over and over again I have said I am against mandatory vaccination.

GodIsAVegan · 21/11/2021 20:16

The NHS shouldn't have to be forking out thousands of pounds to save people who had been offered a free, simple vaccine which could have stopped them being admitted to hospital in the first case.

If it’s about forking out money for things that are largely preventable, we should be billing for lots of things by logic.

So an unvaccinated has a higher chance of needing treatment for covid so they get billed if they need treatment for covid. Okay, seems fair, they should have followed NHS advice had the vaccine.

A person who overweight ( through overeating) has a higher chance of needing treatment for diabetes so they should get billed too if they get diabetes. Okay, seems fair, they should have followed NHS advice and are healthily.

The vaccine and eating healthy are examples of things that help to prevent and minimise the need for NHS care. If you don’t do either let’s send the person a bill. Lots more things we can bill for, NHS will be rich in no time.

I think it’s wrong. But if it’s done it had to be fair.

And the argument of ‘but it’s different because being fat isn’t contagious’ doesn’t work. If we’re talking about costs, both being unvaccinated and eating badly cost the NHS money.

It’s crazy. The NHS was failing way before covid. Everyone should pay more if we want it. There are very few people who cover through tax, what they take out in healthcare.

XenoBitch · 21/11/2021 20:17

@PurpleDaisies

I really am not. Am just scared that anyone would advocate barging into someone's house and forcibly vaccinating them.

Go back and read my posts.

Over and over and over again I have said I am against mandatory vaccination.

Sorry, I will. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
Barbie222 · 21/11/2021 20:19

@GodIsAVegan if obesity could be prevented by a cheap vaccination, I think I'd feel the same about that too. The analogy doesn't really work because prevention from covid is simple and cheap, but it's very expensive to prevent people from being obese.

PurpleDaisies · 21/11/2021 20:20

[quote Barbie222]@GodIsAVegan if obesity could be prevented by a cheap vaccination, I think I'd feel the same about that too. The analogy doesn't really work because prevention from covid is simple and cheap, but it's very expensive to prevent people from being obese. [/quote]
What about smoking? Nobody has to smoke. Happy to let someone who can’t pay for of lung cancer?

PurpleDaisies · 21/11/2021 20:21

^die of lung cancer

XenoBitch · 21/11/2021 20:22

[quote Barbie222]@GodIsAVegan if obesity could be prevented by a cheap vaccination, I think I'd feel the same about that too. The analogy doesn't really work because prevention from covid is simple and cheap, but it's very expensive to prevent people from being obese. [/quote]
It is really easy to avoid breaking your leg skiing too. Just don't go skiing. If you do, the NHS will charge you for any injuries.

Switch82 · 21/11/2021 20:22

We are entitled to bodily autonomy. This is frightening (I am double jabbed and had my booster) but I do believe it’s still a choice

Barbie222 · 21/11/2021 20:23

@PurpleDaisies I think it's rather expensive stopping people from smoking, too? I'm not aware there's a cheap vaccination for that?

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 21/11/2021 20:24

But smoking and overeating don’t really affect the health of other people. Covid does.

And how many beds in intensive care do smokers and over eaters occupy on a permanent basis.

Also, smoking and over eating are addictive behaviours and hard to stop. Not having a vaccine isn’t the same thing.

GodIsAVegan · 21/11/2021 20:24

Public health have records of who is vaccinated. GPs know which of their patients aren’t vaccinated.
It doesn’t have to be going randomly.

We gave up trying to get an appointment with our GP years ago. An hour in a phone queue to either be cut off or told no appointments.

After spending over £1300 pounds paying to see a private GP over the last few years, and for private prescriptions which cost more, for us and our kids because we had no other option, if my GP dared to turn up at our home to chat with me about vaccination, he would be swiftly told to fuck off. He’s taken zero responsibility for our health for years, he needn’t start now.

Mynameismargot · 21/11/2021 20:25

I really am not. Am just scared that anyone would advocate barging into someone's house and forcibly vaccinating them

And seeking out specific peoples home would have an outcry like this. Xenobitch is supposedly not an antivaxxer and she still doesn't take a minute to stop and think but immediately jumps to illogical conclusions. Calling house to house would spark a lot of this, the people being sent around would more than likely need protection of some sort because lots of antivaxxers are, to be quite frank about it, utterly bonkers. And who are we sending around to do it? Not healthcare professionals because they are already busy dealing with the results of the unvaccinated. It might sound like an easy answer but in practice would you like to knock on the doors of bonkers people offering a jab that they think is some kind of government conspiracy to do god knows what?

ANameChangeAgain · 21/11/2021 20:25

They are forcing vaccines by having a lockdown for the unvaccinted during spike seasons, which I'm not sure how I feel about. We are trying similar with care workers and NHS staff, which is creating enough of an outcry.

frumpety · 21/11/2021 20:26

It feels a bit stick before the carrot iyswim ? The average cost for one day in ICU is about £1400, most people admitted to ICU for covid will need multiole days/weeks , so why not offer a financial incentive to get vaccinated ?
I suppose in answer to my own question it would set a precedent so people might try to hold out for the incentive in the future ?

SilverGlitterBaubles · 21/11/2021 20:27

@WonderfulYou I also worry that it actually just fuels and feeds into the conspiracy/ anti vax stuff because this is something that 'they' said would happen. A friend who is down this rabbit hole says this is proof that all the nonsense she believes is absolutely true and it had made her even more adamant about not having a vaccine.

XenoBitch · 21/11/2021 20:31

@Mynameismargot

I really am not. Am just scared that anyone would advocate barging into someone's house and forcibly vaccinating them

And seeking out specific peoples home would have an outcry like this. Xenobitch is supposedly not an antivaxxer and she still doesn't take a minute to stop and think but immediately jumps to illogical conclusions. Calling house to house would spark a lot of this, the people being sent around would more than likely need protection of some sort because lots of antivaxxers are, to be quite frank about it, utterly bonkers. And who are we sending around to do it? Not healthcare professionals because they are already busy dealing with the results of the unvaccinated. It might sound like an easy answer but in practice would you like to knock on the doors of bonkers people offering a jab that they think is some kind of government conspiracy to do god knows what?

Why do you state I am "supposedly not an antivaxxer"? I am scared to death about the prospect of mandatory vaccination. I was also training to be an HCP so had all my vaccinations at that time.