Compulsory Vaccine - What does it mean?

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Sorry for posting in AIBU but I know most traffic is here.

So reading the latest news headlines, Austria and Germany are making vaccines compulsory.

Can someone explain what this actually means? What are the consequences if someone refuses to be vaccinated. I appreciate I may sound thick here so I apologise in advance.

I am double vaccinated myself and will be booking my booster for January but I strongly disagree with people being forced to take something they don't want. Surely it sets a precedent for the future. What will the government try to force next?
Scary times ahead!

if obesity could be prevented by a cheap vaccination, I think I'd feel the same about that too. The analogy doesn't really work because prevention from covid is simple and cheap, but it's very expensive to prevent people from being obese.

The analogy absolutely works. People just want to eat bad food cos it tastes good. Most people can not be fat. They think they get to be superior for taking the vaccine. How about if I feel superior because I look after my health every day. Getting a vaccine isn’t simple for many, the reasons of not getting it are complicated. Just like people being fat is. But we mustn’t treat the fatties like second class citizens, that’s a special thing reserved for unvaccinated people. Just no.

Yes same here Godisavegan, I would be outraged when we have had no real help for the last two years, and have had to pay privately for blood tests and other things. They probably wouldn't dare knock on the door of people who'd only had one vaccine, in case they'd had terrible side effects.

Staff from GP's surgeries have been knocking on peoples doors to give them the vaccine, if they are housebound and cannot get to a vaccination centre, and if they consented to have it. Perhaps that's what the poster from Ireland meant ?

Why do you state I am "supposedly not an antivaxxer"?
I am scared to death about the prospect of mandatory vaccination. I was also training to be an HCP so had all my vaccinations at that time.

Because I have no idea who you are. Only that you post all over vaccine threads and say you aren't an anti vaxxer. What do you want me to say Xenobitch who definitely isn't an anti vaxxer? I don't know who or what you are.

And who are we sending around to do it? Not healthcare professionals because they are already busy dealing with the results of the unvaccinated. It might sound like an easy answer but in practice would you like to knock on the doors of bonkers people offering a jab that they think is some kind of government conspiracy to do god knows what?

Public health teams. This is the sort of thing public health does.
It’s a conversation, not holding anyone down. Plenty of people have really chaotic lives and just haven’t managed to get organised to get vaccinated. Round here the walk in clinics have been really poorly advertised. Not everyone is plugged in to good sources of news for who is eligible.
Anti vaxxers will still say no. That’s fine.

Getting a vaccine isn’t simple for many, the reasons of not getting it are complicated.

Doesn't that make it even more important to keep the numbers of unvaccinated people really, really low? People on the thread have spoken of their own medical reasons not to be vaccinated - and there will always be people for whom the vaccine is contraindicated. Wouldn't high take up benefit them?

Likening vaccine hesitancy to the massive issues around obesity is a huge reach, too.

@Mynameismargot

*Why do you state I am "supposedly not an antivaxxer"? I am scared to death about the prospect of mandatory vaccination. I was also training to be an HCP so had all my vaccinations at that time.*

Because I have no idea who you are. Only that you post all over vaccine threads and say you aren't an anti vaxxer. What do you want me to say Xenobitch who definitely isn't an anti vaxxer? I don't know who or what you are.

I don't often say I am not an anti-vaxxer... tbh It is sad anyone would feel the need to preface any comment with that. It is like having to state your car has an MOT/insurance etc whenever talking about your car. I am fed up with being called an anti-vaxxer, when I am not one.

An opinion piece. Why is this being posted on every other Covid thread like it is gospel?

Could it just possibly be because it's by someone who has experience at the sharp end of covid and can see how bloody stupid it is not to take easy precautions to minimise the risk of getting it?

@521Jeanie

Does Singapore have a better idea - to bill you for your healthcare if you're unvaccinated by choice and you end up in hospital needing treatment for Covid? I don't feel comfortable forcing people to have vaccines, but surely it's reasonable to say that with their choices come consequences? The NHS shouldn't have to be forking out thousands of pounds to save people who had been offered a free, simple vaccine which could have stopped them being admitted to hospital in the first case.

Same could be said for .... Heart bypass surgery for the overweight... Cancer treatment for smokers etc.

The NHS is on its knees. No one can see a doctor. People are struggling for treatment and can’t access what they need.

And it seems to be mainly unvaccinated in Covid wards. Surely that should be enough? I’d quite like to see my doctor face to face again at some point.

But the NHS had seized up due to Covid. I’m kind of pissed off that I’m having to pay for medical and dental treatment.

Whilst people are demonstrating about not having vaccines. Who’s rights are more important.

I just want a dentist, and a GP, and to see a specialist when l need to.

Public health teams. This is the sort of thing public health does.

So a random person I don’t know who isn’t a doctor is going have access to my medical record and come to my house and talk to me.
I will bore them to death about the lack of NHS care we’ve had, no GP access, the thousands we’ve paid in private care and prescriptions. I will explain that I’m not interested in them now trying to take responsibility for my families health, they’re about 4 years too late. It’ll be a long conversation, it’s been a long 4 years. Of course I don’t invite them in or offer a drink, cos, you know, covid.

Fucking ridiculous.

Aldi was trending on Twitter a few days ago because Aldi have plans to no longer employ unvaccinated people.

I agree with fromtline health and social care workers needing to be vaccinated but not shop workers. If countries force employees and potentially students into unemployment then it is a dangerous move.

Germany has also banned the unvaccinated from using public transport, I have no idea how that can be enforced.

‘Fatties’

Nice.

Does Singapore have a better idea - to bill you for your healthcare if you're unvaccinated by choice and you end up in hospital needing treatment for Covid? I don't feel comfortable forcing people to have vaccines, but surely it's reasonable to say that with their choices come consequences? The NHS shouldn't have to be forking out thousands of pounds to save people who had been offered a free, simple vaccine which could have stopped them being admitted to hospital in the first case.

Ok as long as you also charge obese people, smokers, those who suffered accidents doing sports or wearing high heels, etc etc.

Fatties

🙄 Have you seen what unvaccinated people get called on here? It is not what I think, I am illustrating a point. It’s not nice is it?

Not going to happen in the UK
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/covid-vaccination-compulsory-austria-b1961669.html

[quote Noducksgiven]Not going to happen in the UK
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/covid-vaccination-compulsory-austria-b1961669.html[/quote]
Stuck behind a paywall for me, but I can get the gist.
I want to believe them, I really do.

How can you make someone pay for not taking a vaccine, but someone who goes out, gets hammered, and falls on the way home doesn't need to? Why are we still treating smokers when there have been viable alternatives on the market for years? How long until we turn on the fatties?

It's because these groups haven't filled the numbers of icu beds. This is whataboutery - "he's doing it too, Miss". The bottom line is, it doesn't matter what we all think of smokers, or obese people, or people who break a leg skiing, or need to go to a and e when they're drunk - because we could all still use the NHS as normal. These groups aren't consuming the NHS to the same degree that unvaccinated people are right now. We need to make sure we can still have the NHS available to all, and to do that we either need to pay more, or vaccinate more people.

Stuck behind a paywall for me

It isn’t. You just click “I’ll try later” in the box to register to keep reading.

It also seems to be mostly obese in covid wards. Why not address this rather than just vilify those who aren’t vaccinated.

Because obesity isn’t highly infectious like Covid. So the 2 aren’t comparable.

Covid vaccine protects everyone.

Don't think forcing people will help, but consequences might.

No travel (that's not even don to the UK, other countries can and probably should just say no to the unvaccinated and you can't do anything about it), no access to free healthcare for Covid positive people who have actively decided not to get vaccinated.

And no, I don't feel the same about diseases which arise from addiction because someone else's addiction isn't transmittable to multiple vulnerable members of our societies across the world. I do feel however if you don't seek help for these things you should be exempt from receiving a transplant until you get your shit together and go through a treatment programme (I say this as someone who has had massive struggles with addiction in the past and an alcoholic mother). Just look at George best and his 2x liver transplants which could have gone to someone who actually wanted to recover or needed a new liver, who wouldn't then go on to fuck it up again.

@PickupaPenguin8

I can’t believe what I’m reading. This is absolutely horrific. Shocking and so wrong.

Agreed. I am fully vaccinated and think the science is awesome. I am also a liberal and horrified by the idea of violating bodily autonomy in this way.

[quote Noducksgiven]Not going to happen in the UK
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/covid-vaccination-compulsory-austria-b1961669.html[/quote]
Really? They’re making health care staff have compulsory vaccines. That’s where this government have started it. Maybe they’ll extend it to other jobs? Or transport? Perhaps leisure too?
There are many ways to practically force everyone to have the vaccine without mandating them.