Compulsory Vaccine - What does it mean?

[WheresYourIndicator]

Sorry for posting in AIBU but I know most traffic is here.

So reading the latest news headlines, Austria and Germany are making vaccines compulsory.

Can someone explain what this actually means? What are the consequences if someone refuses to be vaccinated. I appreciate I may sound thick here so I apologise in advance.

I am double vaccinated myself and will be booking my booster for January but I strongly disagree with people being forced to take something they don't want. Surely it sets a precedent for the future. What will the government try to force next?
Scary times ahead!

I say bring compulsory vaccination on! The moment any of the antivaxxers on here are told that there is no room in ICU for their child with meningitis, or there’s no ambulance for their father who is having a heart attack, or their mum having a stroke due to the hospital being full of ridiculous, unvaccinated, selfish Covid patients. Is that when these fools will realise how selfish they are being?

@IHateFlies

It also seems to be mostly obese in covid wards. Why not address this rather than just vilify those who aren’t vaccinated.

Because Obemsity isn't a spreadable disease that caused a pandemic. It is something that can be treated if you wish it to be, but if you can't be bothered it doesn't impact on the rest of us.

Personally I think no vaccine, no benefits or access to public services.

This site really makes me lose faith in humanity sometimes.

I think ultimately some action will be taken. Maybe like France.

@Cheerychirpy

I say bring compulsory vaccination on! The moment any of the antivaxxers on here are told that there is no room in ICU for their child with meningitis, or there’s no ambulance for their father who is having a heart attack, or their mum having a stroke due to the hospital being full of ridiculous, unvaccinated, selfish Covid patients. Is that when these fools will realise how selfish they are being?

Nope, because they have a doctorate on Google searches and have done thorough "research".

Wonder if they can say the same about every single thing they put in their body, from other vaccines to the tap water they drink? Probably not.

@Barbie222

The NHS has been on its knees for years. I didn't hear anyone shouting to make people pay for their choices when I waited hours on an ambulance while my elderly relative bled out in my arms.

If there had been calls for it I would have disagreed with it because it's 100% privatisation through the back door.

Once you set up a way for them to say X is free but Y is paid, and Z is paid for W people, you've just privatised it. You'll have the unvaccinated who can afford it buying insurance while the rest suffer. And then, when Covid is just a regular cold and the panic is over and people are wondering while they're STILL waiting hours for Granny's ambulance, it won't be long before we start wondering why the Saturday night drunks aren't paying too. Rinse and repeat.

Because obesity isn’t highly infectious like Covid. So the 2 aren’t comparable.

They are comparable. They both cost money, they both take up bed. Obesity also has other consequences, not just covid. It’s taking up massive numbers of appointments, beds, nurses, doctors, free prescriptions, subsidised prescriptions.

But the NHS had seized up due to Covid.

The NHS has seized up due to a lack of investment over years. It was already virtually impossible to get a GP appointment well before this started. We already had some of the worst cancer survival rates in Europe. And every winter flu caused things to grind to a halt. Covid has made things worse - but don't fall for the Tory lie that the problems are solely down to covid

A slim healthy unvaccinated person is unlikely to need hospital treatment if they get covid. An obese person is more likely to need hospital treatment, possibly even if they are vaccinated.

I know 2 slim vaccinated people who needed hospital treatment though.

I’d like to bill people that aren’t vaccinated and use the nhs for treatment ( children not included). I believe in free choice. Hate the idea of anything compulsory. Am against nhs staff being forced to have the vaccine. But also believe that choices should have consequences. But let’s be honest the people that refuse aren’t going to have any money to cover the costs of treatment,

There is no compulsory vaccination in Germany. I live here and I know.

Austria plans to introduce this from February 1st. There is precedent: there was compulsory vaccination against smallpox from 1948 until the programme was discontinued because the disease died out.

If you can get vaccinated, you should. There are people who cannot and they deserve protection. I am fed up of being continually restricted and locked down because people will not do the right thing and get vaccinated and wear masks.

Because Obesity isn't a spreadable disease that caused a pandemic. It is something that can be treated if you wish it to be, but if you can't be bothered it doesn't impact on the rest of us

It does impact the rest of us if the obese are using all the beds.

jailby

Absolutely. I’m unvaccinated but we’re also very well off. We can afford whatever medical costs and vines anyone wants to throw at me. But I will still defend this as others aren’t so fortunate.

I don’t know any vaccinated people in favour of fines, charges for treatment or vaccine mandates. And I include doctors and nurses in that group. It’s just wrong.

There are currently lots of discussions in Germany about whether compulsory vaccination should be considered. This is a long way from it being made compulsory. I think it is right that the discussions take place. Unvaccinated people are not banned from public transport. 3G applies for public transport - vaccinated, recovered or tested. Unvaccinated people do need to show proof of a negative test if asked to when travelling but are not banned.

Because Obemsity isn't a spreadable disease that caused a pandemic. It is something that can be treated if you wish it to be, but if you can't be bothered it doesn't impact on the rest of us.

So get the covid sufferers out so the NHS can get back to treating obese people for preventable conditions such as cancer, arthritis, diabetes etc? Of course obesity causes huge costs to the NHS

(Although obesity is a disease of poverty so I don't agree with penalising people directly.. poverty is the cause of a lot of NHS use one way or another)

*fines 😬

@CouldThisReallyBe

As far as I know (from German friend) this doesn't yet apply to Germany.

Sajid Javid said on Andrew Marr this morning that this is not the plan for the UK.

No need to panic.

And we don’t care about those in Austria?

So get the covid sufferers out so the NHS can get back to treating obese people for preventable conditions such as cancer, arthritis, diabetes etc? Of course obesity causes huge costs to the NHS

This.

@Cheerychirpy

I say bring compulsory vaccination on! The moment any of the antivaxxers on here are told that there is no room in ICU for their child with meningitis, or there’s no ambulance for their father who is having a heart attack, or their mum having a stroke due to the hospital being full of ridiculous, unvaccinated, selfish Covid patients. Is that when these fools will realise how selfish they are being?

Not everyone that in currently unvaccinated is an "anti-vaxxer". Some have huge anxieties about side effects, or they had a bad reaction to the first jab, they could have needle phobia, or just have general health anxiety that is stopping them getting it. Please do not lump these people in with the types that are outside schools spreading misinformation.

@thenightsky

Because Obesity isn't a spreadable disease that caused a pandemic. It is something that can be treated if you wish it to be, but if you can't be bothered it doesn't impact on the rest of us

It does impact the rest of us if the obese are using all the beds.

Yeah, someone obese that has had a operation might need longer monitoring after their op because they are obese. and that takes up a bed and staff.

@Cheerychirpy

Personally I think no vaccine, no benefits or access to public services.

No benefits? So you would see someone out on the street for not having the vaccine? You sound lovely.

It also seems to be mostly obese in covid wards. Why not address this rather than just vilify those who aren’t vaccinated.

Maybe unvaccinated obese people but here in Ireland anyway it is mostly unvaccinated people. People can whataboutery all they like but it doesnt change the fact that it is mostly unvaccinated people clogging up intensive care beds and that is what is grinding hospitals to a halt right now. There is no escaping the fact that if everyone was vaccinated then hospitals wouldn't be facing the strain that they are, sure they would still be busy but not at the point where they have to deny people transplants. There is just no escaping the fact that in some EU countries this is what is happening and vaccination, a quick hour out of their year could stop the pressure on the health service, stop the pain caused to their families and help other people access the healthcare that they deserve.

Once you set up a way for them to say X is free but Y is paid, and Z is paid for W people, you've just privatised it.

That's not what privatisation is. You're getting confused between it being free at the point of use and privatisation.

Prescriptions are chargeable for adults but still provided by the NHS. Dentistry is privatised but still free at the point of use for children. Privatisation means profits can be made on the provision of the service. Lots of things provided for free are already sneakily being privatised.

Actually I think there's a good argument for more things to be charged directly. GP appointments for example. Ambulance rides perhaps. It would vastly reduce unnecessary use. I am against privatisation as it means shareholders taking money that could be used to provide healthcare