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To think we shouldn’t treat a prisoner like this?

233 replies

Puttingthekettleon · 20/11/2021 08:51

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1523361/Robert-Maudsley-killer-die-Wakefield-Prison-glass-box/amp

A concrete slab to sleep on, no television, no music? Surely that’s just not right?

OP posts:
Bumblenums1234 · 20/11/2021 08:56

I was going to say good but then I read his motivations for killing people were because they were showing pictures of kids they had abused and a man who murdered his wife.

Why aren't we treating the child abusers and women killers like this? Oh yeah, because women and children's lives are worth less.

Bucanarab · 20/11/2021 09:07

Yanbu. I've seen a few programmes / articles / interviews saying that once a prisoner loses hope they become incredibly unpredictable and dangerous as they've no reason to try and behave. Taking away all comforts, recreation, and hope is not the best way to make a prisoner less dangerous.

Newrumpus · 20/11/2021 09:08

Nah. It’s inhumane and achieves nothing

Essexmum321 · 20/11/2021 09:12

They’ve taken everything away because he will injure himself/make weapons out of anything.

megletthesecond · 20/11/2021 09:23

I suppose it also depends on whether he's a risk to the prison staff when he goes after the other men.

Nyxly · 20/11/2021 09:25

On the face of it, I agree.

But there has to be a reason he doesn't ha a proper bed, TV. It's umlikey that he is kept like that just because.

I would guess that level of containment has been investigated viewed as acceptable.

MurielSpriggs · 20/11/2021 09:28

I'd be careful of taking a report in the Daily Express seriously, especially one relating to prison policy.

IamtheDevilsAvocado · 20/11/2021 09:29

The punishment is losing their freedom.

Treating them inhumanely doesn't reflect well on society.

We don't want to be a society of kangaroo courts / tortuous treatment of prisoners.

topcat2014 · 20/11/2021 09:31

Don't, whatever you do OP, look at how America treat's it's prisoners..

SamBeckettsLastLeap · 20/11/2021 09:35

Don't look at how people are treated after they have been sectioned in the UK. They have less rights than a prisoner.

RecentYears · 20/11/2021 09:37

Gosh, what a terribly sad story.

He's not being kept like this to punish him though, but to prevent him from harming himself and others.

I've no idea what the answer is. Let him kill himself? Obviously not that, so what?

Rissole · 20/11/2021 09:38

He kills paedophiles.

I imagine there are a lot of paedophiles in prison so he is a danger to a high percentage of his fellow inmates.

fabulouslyglamorousferret · 20/11/2021 09:42

I saw this the other day and became a bit 'fascinated' by it! He was horrifically abused by his parents, it seems so awful that now he is being treated like this.

On the other hand, how can they keep him in any other manner when he is such a danger to other people? We might not care if he killed all the prison paedophiles, but that cant be allowed to happen, and the officers would get injured if they got in the way.

Puttingthekettleon · 20/11/2021 09:42

If he’s locked up, he can’t kill them.

OP posts:
AwaAnBileYerHeid · 20/11/2021 09:43

@SamBeckettsLastLeap

Don't look at how people are treated after they have been sectioned in the UK. They have less rights than a prisoner.
In what way do they have less rights?
FourTeaFallOut · 20/11/2021 09:48

@Bumblenums1234

I was going to say good but then I read his motivations for killing people were because they were showing pictures of kids they had abused and a man who murdered his wife.

Why aren't we treating the child abusers and women killers like this? Oh yeah, because women and children's lives are worth less.

Because he is in a prison filled with paedophiles and murderers and he has a habit of killing them?
Nootkah · 20/11/2021 09:49

Ibwonder what the back story is? This is a man who has managed to brutally murder despite being in two of the UKs highest sexurity institutions. What has he done/tried to do with his bedding, furniture etc in the recent past?

The sensory deprivation sounds unneccessary. Tv, music, books (unless he has weaponised those ?) could surely be considered.

Nyxly · 20/11/2021 09:49

@Puttingthekettleon

If he’s locked up, he can’t kill them.
Any what about himself?

That will be why his room is stripped and why they ensure they can see him at all times, would be my assumption.

Perhaps I am wrong. But I doubt they are allowed to keep a prison like this, just because they want to.

RecentYears · 20/11/2021 09:50

@Puttingthekettleon

If he’s locked up, he can’t kill them.
He can and he has. That's why they're keeping him like this.
Jennalong · 20/11/2021 09:53

I work in a prison . They all have a wing where you can be segregated to , be it for your own protection or because you have done something that the punishment is to be taken from your usual wing and put in confinement.
Beds are a raised block ( in jails going to those wings is often known as going on the block for that reason i.e no bed ) but they do have a mattress on , the same as ones on the main wings. They get bedding the same as well. Of course sinks and toilets are bolted down, the same ways as yours are at home !
A lots of prisons have metal toilets and sinks , as porcelain can easily be broken , and possibly used as a weapon , likewise prisoners use plastic plates & cups & cutlery .
If you are put in segregation , you still see people , prison officers , the chaplain or another member of staff from that department will visit you daily , you will probably have access to be given books to read if you want, you will get a regular visit from people who work with prisons ( Independent monitoring board ) who are volunteers that check that certain standards are maintained within prisons including the treatment and maintaining dignity of prisoners.
Yes prisons are not there to provide a pleasant environment for its population . But on the whole they are necessary to keep individuals who are likely to harm others in some form.

WhoWants2Know · 20/11/2021 09:58

On thinking about it, I have some reservations. If the reason for the deprivation is to keep him from harming guards or other inmates then it seems reasonable.

But if it's to stop him killing himself, then I'm not so sure. We don't have the death penalty in this country. But in theory it might be possible for a person faced with a lifetime of solitary confinement to make a rational decision that they would prefer to end their life.

Couldn't keeping him alive in those circumstances be classed as torture?

Stompythedinosaur · 20/11/2021 09:59

@Puttingthekettleon

If he’s locked up, he can’t kill them.
He's committed 4 murders inside prisons and secure hospitals.

I don't want to see anyone treated this way, but I also think staff and other prisoners have a right to be safe.

Cardboard furniture sounds fine tbh, it can't be used as a weapon. Sleeping on a concrete slab does sound fine, but I wonder if there is actually a mattress pad they aren't mentioning.

Clearly he should be able to have a living pet, or items he can make weapons from. But if the cell is glass, I wonder why he can't have a TV he can watch but not access.

Gliderx · 20/11/2021 10:03

If someone is subject to this level of sensory deprivation, voluntary euthanasia should be an option. This sounds like torture.

Atozofpoodles · 20/11/2021 10:04

He deserves a medal not this.

KurtWilde · 20/11/2021 10:05

@Rissole

He kills paedophiles.

I imagine there are a lot of paedophiles in prison so he is a danger to a high percentage of his fellow inmates.

Doesn't sound like a bad thing to me. Sounds like he was doing the world a favour.

I agree with OP, he's being treat inhumanly. The mental torture must be unbearable.

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