To think we shouldn’t treat a prisoner like this?

[Puttingthekettleon]

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1523361/Robert-Maudsley-killer-die-Wakefield-Prison-glass-box/amp

A concrete slab to sleep on, no television, no music? Surely that’s just not right?

He’s horrifically violent, but no one deserves extreme treatment like that when equally violent men have the basics of existence. Shut everyone in a glass cell with nothing, or don’t do that to anyone.

Equally violent? Where are the examples of men who have killed 4 people inside prison?

news.sky.com/story/autistic-girl-who-was-locked-up-24-7-now-loves-hair-dye-gardening-and-fishing-one-year-on-12087199

Most of us have little idea of what happens in the UK either in the name of justice or protection.

Why aren't we treating the child abusers and women killers like this? Oh yeah, because women and children's lives are worth less.

This isn't the reason. I'd hazard a guess he's segregated in that way due to the significant risk he poses to other prisoners, since they are his target victims.

Its disgusting that in our society a human is allowed to be treated like that.
He is apparently a very intelligent man with a high IQ so the lack of mental stimulation must be horrible.
He is not asking to be released from prison just some basic human rights.I hope his case is now looked into since the publicity.

I was going to say good but then I read his motivations for killing people were because they were showing pictures of kids they had abused and a man who murdered his wife.

Oh, that's ok then

I work in prisons and I wince over some of the comments I read on threads like these particularly the ones about a recent high profile murder case.

Same.

@Atozofpoodles

He deserves a medal not this.

Eh? He is a sadistic murderer

Even if you think good riddance to the people he killed, are you glad about the staff who have to deal with the aftermath? Both what they see and the process they'll have to go though about how they didn't prevent it?

If he is solitary confinement then he still has interaction with the guards, with medical people, with inspectors etc etc and therefore could use any item in his cell (including cardboard furniture) to attack them.

The obvious solution: to remove all items from his cell so he can not use them to create weapons to harm a) the guards b) other inmates and c) himself.

I don't see what the problem is here?

He was failed as a child. Terribly failed. That doesn't excuse what he did, whoever he did it to. I would rather my rapist and the person who sexually abused me as a child be locked up for the rest of their lives rather than killed. Death is too easy for them.

I do however think Robert Maudsley should be allowed to die. He isn't beyond help. But he is beyond the help which could be accessed in prison.

Does he have clothes? He could harm himself with those.

Can you answer my questions first

I have. The same procedures they use for exercise, medical attention etc. I done work there so I’m afraid I can’t produce the exact processes they use, or the Risk Assessments
Neither do I know precisely how they fit the Alexa button in my Firestick. Only that it is there, it exists and someone put it there.

And you don’t need to respond, as your replies to me have a distinct whiff of Goad about them, so…… 🤷‍♀️

don’t work there…..

@SweeneyPlodd

There is a good documentary on YouTube about Robert, he was severely abused as a child and killed one person after being shown photos of children he was abusing. He handed himself in to police straight away hoping he would get the help he needed. Instead they threw him in broadmore with peadophiles and sex offenders. It was a recipe for disaster.

One of the interesting things said on the documentary was:
Robert was not a serial killer until he went to prison.

I don’t understand why that quote is significant. He had an appalling childhood and is very clearly a very damaged man. But he had killed before he went to prison, who’s to say he wouldn’t have been a serial killer outside of prison?

@Motnight

https://news.sky.com/story/autistic-girl-who-was-locked-up-24-7-now-loves-hair-dye-gardening-and-fishing-one-year-on-12087199

Most of us have little idea of what happens in the UK either in the name of justice or protection.

She should never have been locked up, obviously, but that's where the similarities end.

YANBU. What he has done is irrelevant, this is a human rights abuse. No one should have to live in an empty cell with nothing but a concrete slab. Not even the worst kind of criminal.
This is the kind of treatment I'd expect to see in regimes investigated by Amnesty International.

@Saucery

Can you answer my questions first

I have. The same procedures they use for exercise, medical attention etc. I done work there so I’m afraid I can’t produce the exact processes they use, or the Risk Assessments
Neither do I know precisely how they fit the Alexa button in my Firestick. Only that it is there, it exists and someone put it there.

And you don’t need to respond, as your replies to me have a distinct whiff of Goad about them, so…… 🤷‍♀️

I think it’s more you realise how ridiculous your comment was. They can’t fit anything to his cell because there’s nowhere else for him to do in the meantime. They can’t have more guards protecting him because that then puts more guards at risk. There will be certain times he’ll need physical contact with guards - but those will be individually planned and risk assessed, not to mention will have staff trained to deal with that exact situation (toilet trips/exercise).

There will be nothing stopping him smashing his head off the concrete block but it’s likely his guards will be trained for exactly that eventuality. How do you train guards to, say, help him cough up the Alexa he’s ripped off the wall and eaten? What if he rips it off every single day, and punches a guard in the process? Every day?

If you give it two seconds of thought you’d soon start to see the pitfalls. He’s not being punished - he’s being (legally, and horribly) protected.

I don’t see the problem here

You don’t see the problem? What the hell?

@Saucery isn’t being at all ridiculous.

Technology in 1983 is a bit different to now. Wouldn’t you agree?

I do however think Robert Maudsley should be allowed to die.

That would necessitate legalising assisted suicide. I'm not saying that should or should not happen, but it's a massive and very complex issue that would need many rounds of drafting and consultation before the law could be passed (campaigners haven't managed it yet). And of all the arguments in its favour, it being the wish of an incredibly dangerous and violent man is probably one of the worst.

I don’t think giving him a remote control and a TV, and some books, is putting other prisoners or guards at risk, @Nomorepies

[quote Puttingthekettleon]@Saucery isn’t being at all ridiculous.

Technology in 1983 is a bit different to now. Wouldn’t you agree?[/quote]
I absolutely would! It’s completely different!

How do they fit an Alexa to his cell?

@Puttingthekettleon

I don’t think giving him a remote control and a TV, and some books, is putting other prisoners or guards at risk, *@Nomorepies*

It is though - it’s putting him at risk (because he could swallow the batteries) and when he’s known to be an exceptionally violent man, who’s to say how he’ll react when the guards come in to save his life? Would you risk it?