To think we shouldn’t treat a prisoner like this?

[Puttingthekettleon]

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1523361/Robert-Maudsley-killer-die-Wakefield-Prison-glass-box/amp

A concrete slab to sleep on, no television, no music? Surely that’s just not right?

@Saucery

I wouldn’t reward him, but he could have the basics of books, music on a device outside his cell but controlled by him, TV the same. Basics such as other prisoners have. Sensory deprivation until he dies is not something we should be doing to any prisoner.

How could he control it?

Robert Maudsley Is an extremely violent and unpredictable man, there is a very good reason the made that cell for him.
He may have ‘only’ killed three people in prison/hospital but he attacked many more.

He openly admits he will kill again given the chance.

His cell didn’t start with nothing, but he repeatedly tried to make weapons or use items to harm himself so they had to be removed.

It is a horrible existence, but it’s the only way they have been able to keep him and others safe.

He asked to die years ago no one would grant such a request he is horrifically violent and disturbing individual I do feel however he should have access to a television and maybe books they can be voice controlled so it needn't be risky

@DrSbaitso

Slow handclaps to posters who would reward sadistic murders, complete with posed and displayed bodies, with medals and the idea that they improve the world.

Like I said, some people just need a reason. Go you for validating it. Nice one. You think this makes you a better human?

Well said.

I work in prisons and I wince over some of the comments I read on threads like these particularly the ones about a recent high profile murder case.

I think some people would honestly like prisons to be turned into some kind of televised Hunger Games facility where they can cheer and watch people being killed and tortured.

If you give him a remote control then it could be used as a weapon.

Let him kill them. Hell, I'd pay him.

@Puttingthekettleon

If he’s locked up, he can’t kill them.

But he killed two of them whilst in prison.

It is a horrendously sad case, but I imagine all other options have been considered. I can't see why he couldn't have classical music piped to his cell, or a TV screen the other side of the glass with the audio piped in.

How could he control it?

Something like an Alexa button set into a wall? He’s surrounded by glass, presumably under close observation, so if he did try to dig it out he could be prevented from doing so.

But who against, if he is kept in solitary confinement? Surely that’s the point.

I understand there is an argument against him harming himself but the whole thing is awfully self perpetuating. He wants to end his life because there’s nothing in it, so he has nothing that could help him end his life, so …

He wasn’t in solitary confinement then though, @EmmaGrundyForPM

@Saucery

How could he control it?

Something like an Alexa button set into a wall? He’s surrounded by glass, presumably under close observation, so if he did try to dig it out he could be prevented from doing so.

How could they prevent him? How could they fit that kind of technology, where would he go while they’re putting it in the wall?

Some people have this idea that prisons as they are are holiday camps, and that they should be as inhumane as possible as this will deter people from committing crimes. They aren’t and it doesn’t.

The guards have to have contact with him.

He shouldn't actually be in prison but cannot be safely confined in a secure mental hospital.

How could he harm himself with paperback books?

Regardless of what they have done and the motivation behind the crimes, people have a right to a basic standard of living. What the article describes - if it is accurate - is inhumane and a form of torture. Put in that situation, even the most sane person would quickly become unstable.

If he is that dangerous then he needs sufficient staff to guard him, and treatment to address his offending behaviours. No one is beyond hope. If they believe he is, then they should allow his wish to die.

So do you think they haven't tried some of these thing OP? They've built a purpose built cell for him, I imagine they've tried numerous other things too.

I’m not sure he does @ilovesooty - i think there is minimal contact with him.

Has he ever actually attacked a guard, ie a non child molester?

@CounsellorTroi

How could he harm himself with paperback books?

He could eat it. I’m not joking.

It’s not about punishment- it’s how you protect a man determined to harm himself in a country where his choice to die is illegal. It’s a legal duty to keep him alive.

So he doesn’t have toilet paper?

@Pumperthepumper how do they prevent him from doing anything? Like banging his head off that concrete slab to kill himself, for instance? And the article mentions 23 hrs a day in there, so they must let him out for an hour’s exercise, how do they manage that?
Medical attention if he needs it? Getting food to him?

He’s horrifically violent, but no one deserves extreme treatment like that when equally violent men have the basics of existence. Shut everyone in a glass cell with nothing, or don’t do that to anyone.

@Puttingthekettleon

So he doesn’t have toilet paper?

Probably not.

They've built a purpose built cell for him, I imagine they've tried numerous other things too.

He's been in it since 1983. Treatment has come a long way since then. They wrote him off long ago.

They have to have contact with him to take him out for exercise. If he hasn't attacked a guard it doesn't mean that he never will.

[quote Saucery]@Pumperthepumper how do they prevent him from doing anything? Like banging his head off that concrete slab to kill himself, for instance? And the article mentions 23 hrs a day in there, so they must let him out for an hour’s exercise, how do they manage that?
Medical attention if he needs it? Getting food to him?

He’s horrifically violent, but no one deserves extreme treatment like that when equally violent men have the basics of existence. Shut everyone in a glass cell with nothing, or don’t do that to anyone.[/quote]
Can you answer my questions first? How do they fit the technology you’re suggesting? Where does he go while the work is being carried out?

Doesn't sound like a bad thing to me. Sounds like he was doing the world a favour.

Yes, because the way to deal with paedophiles is to have other prisoners torture them, and hang them for the guards to find. That sounds like a great idea. I’m sure this man did it because he just wanted the world to be a better place.