To think we shouldn’t treat a prisoner like this?

[Puttingthekettleon]

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1523361/Robert-Maudsley-killer-die-Wakefield-Prison-glass-box/amp

A concrete slab to sleep on, no television, no music? Surely that’s just not right?

'But Maudsley, who suffered years of abuse at the hands of his father as a child, had murdered his first victim, Mr Farrell, when he was just 21 in the early '70s.

Maudsley had turned to sex to earn money but killed Mr Farrell, his client, in Wood Green, north London.'

Maudsley didn't just murder child offenders, he murdered ordinary people. Let's not forget that.

That being said, this is torture and as a cultured and democratic society I find this treatment abhorrent. What the solution is however, I'm not sure.

@Nomorepies staff were never at risk from him.

@Puttingthekettleon

I don’t think giving him a remote control and a TV, and some books, is putting other prisoners or guards at risk, *@Nomorepies*

Weapons can be fashioned out of anything in prisons, including a plastic remote control. The pages of books are often used by prisoners to conceal weapons, too. A prisoner intent on causing harm to others can be incredibly resourceful. I say this with "inside" knowledge having worked in numerous prisons.

Maudsley didn't just murder child offenders, he murdered ordinary people. Let's not forget that.

He killed his client Mr Farrell - the man you're referencing - when he showed Richard pictures of children he'd abused. Nothing 'ordinary' about that guy.

[quote KurtWilde]@Nomorepies staff were never at risk from him. [/quote]
How so?

It is all very interesting. On the face of it of course no one should be kept like that, but when you hear from prison staff about why it might be it's hard to see an alternative.

What is striking is the huge cost there must be in detaining him like this.

If only we could put similar sums into protecting and supporting our most vulnerable children and young people, we might not need such facilities. But I dare say he was a "delinquent" child/teen who no one wanted their children to play with and none one felt should get any special treatment. Certainly "people" aren't going to vote for spending more on helping troubled teens, but harsh prison sentences are somehow popular.

@DrSbaitso because he didn't attack staff

It's disgusting. They don't treat child abusers and child murderers this way. But they should. He rid the world of trash. The way he's treated is sickening.

I don’t think giving him a remote control and a TV, and some books, is putting other prisoners or guards at risk

It is if he swallows the batteries every single day, then has to go to hospital as a medical emergency with all the associated officers, be examined and treated by medical staff, anyone of whom he might decide was a paedophile and try to assault and so on and so forth...

Or if he smashed up the TV, used the pieces as a weapon or to self harm, then needed to go to hospital, rinse and repeat...

[quote KurtWilde]@DrSbaitso because he didn't attack staff [/quote]
That doesn't mean there was no risk that he would.

He rid the world of trash.

Who gets to decide of whom to rid the world?

[quote KurtWilde]@Nomorepies staff were never at risk from him. [/quote]
So you would happily be alone with him in a cell? Would be happy to be in a room with him?

I do agree that it’s no way to keep someone, he should be allowed to die which is what he wants. But I do agree that he’s a risk to staff and prisoners, so if he’s not allowed to end his life what are they supposed to do? He has none of the things he is asking for because these items could be turned into something he can use to end his life (or someone else’s)? He’s killed a number of people and not just killed them, he has butchered them. I for one wouldn’t want to be working with him.

This is absolutely bullshit. Maudsley hasn't been in that cell for YEARS. Yes he was in it for a while, but not any more.

Totally shit "journalism" from a totally shit "newspaper"

You have no knowledge of whether he has attacked an officer or not. Numerous attacks on officers take place every day which don't attract criminal charges.

All the information you have is his sad story given to the Express. I am sure the prison would have more information which might be less flattering about how he behaves on a daily basis but they are bound by confidentiality so they are unable to share it.

There are quite a few prisoner YouTube channels that give some insight into different prison systems as well as the considerations for various security considerations and maximum security estate.

This US one is a gifted story teller: www.youtube.com/c/JayWilliamsLetsLiveLife

Someone can probably recommend some UK ones.

It sounds to me like he to be held in specialist accomodation, given the risk he poses, but I cant see why he shouldn't have access to a tv, or an alexa - both of which could be physically outside his cell. He could control the tv with his voice.

Don’t believe everything you read.

@Funnylittlefloozie

This is absolutely bullshit. Maudsley hasn't been in that cell for YEARS. Yes he was in it for a while, but not any more.

Totally shit "journalism" from a totally shit "newspaper"

Where is he now? I've just been reading some articles about him but they're not that up to date

I was led to them from my local paper which I’m sure is also shit. But a shit newspaper doesn’t mean it won’t report serious issues (case in point daily mail.)

@ilovesooty

They have to have contact with him to take him out for exercise. If he hasn't attacked a guard it doesn't mean that he never will.

Apparently as many as 6 (I also read 4) guards take him for his exercise so they must think he's incredibly dangerous

It may report serious issues, but in this case its blatantly wrong.

@Atozofpoodles

He deserves a medal not this.

No, he doesn't.

There is no place in this world for vigilante killing. That isn't something members of the public should ever be involved in. The official systems aren't perfect, but they are trained people with checks and balances in place. Vigilantes don't have that.

Also we don't have capital punishment in this country for a reason. Most people don't support state killing, so why would we support random people taking it into their own hands.

I also think that you have to like killing people to act like this. Having an excuse is just that, an excuse.

An Alexa

So funny, do you think there is Wifi in prisons? It's basic that there are no mobile phones or internet access in prisons. Fucking Alexa, the naivety.

@IamtheDevilsAvocado

The punishment is losing their freedom.

Treating them inhumanely doesn't reflect well on society.

We don't want to be a society of kangaroo courts / tortuous treatment of prisoners.

I agree, but these conditions will be because of how uncontrollably violent he is. It is absolutely horrible though. But what can they do? Tbh the most humane thing to do would be to allow him to choose to die, but the law doesn't allow that. I'm surprised really that he's in prison and not somewhere like Rampton, but he must have been assessed. Poor guy.