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Joining mi6- this is crazy right?

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user14943608381 · 12/11/2021 16:47

So posting for traffic.

Pre warned this is crazy but I promise it’s true.

I’d posted under another nickname of brother who has a history of lying and I’m not talking little white lies I’m talking pathological as well as really frankly dangerous behaviour. Stole pension money from elderly grandmother (was her x mas money and he cut it out of her suitcase), stole 10k worth of jewellery, pushed father undergoing chemo over, held knife to mothers throat, not mentioning the amount of times he hit me 6 ways to Sunday. He was never held accountable for anything which is why I think we have this issue today.

But the previous post was an elaborate tale of him joining the navy. He told this to my very sick (and now passed away father), he bought a few Royal Navy T-shirt’s from the highstreet (pretending they were part of his training uniform), army style boots and epaulettes from god knows where to illustrate the scam. No military in the family so all a bit ignorant on this. DF unbeknownst to everyone was suffering and easily confused, he totally fell for it. Brother, mid 30s , was at the time working as a waiter (earning close to min wage, no shaming here just for income purposes) made several elaborate purchases in a year that as a minimum would have cost 50k. Father was wealthy, it is my strong suspicion that the navy was used to gain money from a v sick and vulnerable person. Reason for believing it’s a scam there was no commendation ceremony, he alleged you get epaulettes as a gesture of good will from the navy and said he was so skilled they fast tracked his application and shortened basic training and was offered an incredibly senior commanding position with 0 experience.

This was 4 months ago, brother is still working as a waiter but now is telling other vulnerable relatives (widowed mum and GM) that he’s been enrolled in mi6 as an intelligence operative as they work under authority of the navy (of which is apparently as the rank of lieutenant commander), there are implications he’ll need money to move to london to do this. He’s screenshotted me his application, which just confirms an application submitted, not a post being offered and he said he can’t disclose more for ‘issues of national security’ and that image was from 12 weeks ago, but I looked online and it says it’s a 9 months hiring process, obviously because caliber of the person needs to be seriously vetted.

Can anyone confirm that his story is bollox? He can’t be joining mi6? He also said they have a join whenever start date policy. I’m concerned this is yet another scam and each time he gets away with it and leaves me to pick up the pieces of humiliated and upset relatives who despite past knowledge fall for it every single time.

The steer from family will be to carry on as if it’s true but I’m sure this has to be a crime? And I can’t be complicit in that.

I also have real concerns about how dangerous he could be if successful in application.

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Udouhun · 12/11/2021 16:50

Jesus he sounds like a fukin psycho.

Brefugee · 12/11/2021 16:53

the first rule of working for MI6 is not talking...
James Bond had the rank of Lieutenant Commander in the navy...

ComtesseDeSpair · 12/11/2021 16:53

I don’t think anybody can “confirm” either way, but having previously worked with GCHQ which has a similar recruitment process to the MIs, what he’s saying isn’t correct on a number of accounts and therefore the entire story is very likely to be untrue.

RincewindsHat · 12/11/2021 16:54

It is rubbish, of course MI6 do not work under the Navy - they have their own intelligence officers. Also, part of the application process is not sharing your application so even if he has applied it's unlikely to go further. MI6 find out EVERYTHING about you. It's a rigorous screening process.

HirplesWithHaggis · 12/11/2021 16:54

He may well have submitted an application online. I could do that too, so can anyone else. There is absolutely no way they would ever employ him.

Or me, tbf.

vodkaredbullgirl · 12/11/2021 16:54

Probably load of bollocks.

user14943608381 · 12/11/2021 16:54

I think he has anti social personality disorder and narcissistic personality disorder and it is genuinely frightening if he got to a position with any sort of power or authority or frankly weapon.

I’m questioning whether I should contact mi6 recruitment and actually warn them but I don’t know if I’d look like a loser jealous relative looking to sabotage

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JoanOgden · 12/11/2021 16:54

If he really has a job offer from MI6 (which I don't believe for a minute) he has already breached his terms of employment as you are not supposed to tell anyone apart from your long-term partner/spouse that you work there.

FlowersFlowersEverywhere · 12/11/2021 16:55

He is completely and utterly lying. I f he was IN the Navy, he would be seconded to Mi6, not have to apply. And he’s clearly not in the Navy, because he would never have achieved the rank in that time. So he is a pathological liar. Believe nothing, tell the whole family he is lying

JoanOgden · 12/11/2021 16:57

And yes naval intelligence is entirely different. I really wouldn't bother ringing MI6 recruitment (if this is even possible).

turnthebiglightoff · 12/11/2021 16:57

He would've needed to have been in the navy for a really long time to get to lieutenant commander.... I think it's safe to say he's not working for MI6 Grin

BackBackBack · 12/11/2021 16:57

@JoanOgden

If he really has a job offer from MI6 (which I don't believe for a minute) he has already breached his terms of employment as you are not supposed to tell anyone apart from your long-term partner/spouse that you work there.
^This.

If he's going around telling all and sundry he's applied to the security services then it's the quickest way to get his application binned off. Clue's in the name; Secret Intelligence Service.

ComtesseDeSpair · 12/11/2021 16:58

It sounds like everyone has his number and the going along with what he says even though they disbelieve it is to keep the peace more than anything.

Whilst the MIs are essentially coded and secretive and you aren’t supposed to tell anyone except your next of kin about your application, it isn’t a crime or anything anyone will follow up on that he’s lying about having successfully applied.

CorrBlimeyGG · 12/11/2021 16:58

MI6 do work with the armed forces, so the suggestion in itself is not entirely unbelievable. But the rest of it is such utter crap, that it's fair to assume it's another one of his lies.

user14943608381 · 12/11/2021 16:59

@HirplesWithHaggis

He may well have submitted an application online. I could do that too, so can anyone else. There is absolutely no way they would ever employ him.

Or me, tbf.

This is what I thought too @HirplesWithHaggis not about them not hiring you but anyone can submit an application for anything. I’m sure I could apply to be CFO for selfridges, it’s not my area and my application would go straight in the bin but technically I could apply to any externally listed vacancy.
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BackBackBack · 12/11/2021 16:59

@Namechangetimes100

I think he has anti social personality disorder and narcissistic personality disorder and it is genuinely frightening if he got to a position with any sort of power or authority or frankly weapon.

I’m questioning whether I should contact mi6 recruitment and actually warn them but I don’t know if I’d look like a loser jealous relative looking to sabotage

No need. In the highly unlikely event that he has actually applied, it won't be the first time that they've encountered a Walter Mitty fantasist
MrsColon · 12/11/2021 16:59

No way - he'd have to go through developed vetting, it takes 6 months.

CombatBarbie · 12/11/2021 16:59

I posted on your last thread. The stories are becoming more and more elaborate.... Have you asked to see a copy of his payslip or his I'd card.

He sounds like a dangerous fruit loop....

WhyDoesItAlways · 12/11/2021 17:00

Are you suggesting that he is lying to get money from your relatives? That is fraud and you could report him. Probably wouldn't be difficult to prove either.

If you're worried he's genuinely recruited you could write to their vetting department.

vodkaredbullgirl · 12/11/2021 17:00

is off to apply for MI6

anon12345anon · 12/11/2021 17:01

@Udouhun

Jesus he sounds like a fukin psycho.
This ☝️😬😬....sorry ......

And I'm ex military......

Flowers
user14943608381 · 12/11/2021 17:01

@ComtesseDeSpair

It sounds like everyone has his number and the going along with what he says even though they disbelieve it is to keep the peace more than anything.

Whilst the MIs are essentially coded and secretive and you aren’t supposed to tell anyone except your next of kin about your application, it isn’t a crime or anything anyone will follow up on that he’s lying about having successfully applied.

I don’t think it’s the case that they think it’s BS, he’s taken tens of thousands of quid before from numerous schemes, the most recent being the navy one
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Nanasueathome · 12/11/2021 17:01

What are the qualifying entry requirements for MI6?
My understanding is that they require at least a 2:1 degree

It is a very long winded recruitment process and references are taken in person , ie MI6 recruitment visit the persons who are giving references for the applicant
I believe they also visit the applicant in their own home too

LakieLady · 12/11/2021 17:02

Blimey, not only is this all an utter lie, it's on such a scale that if he was a character in a tv drama series, viewers would think it was absurdly far-fetched.

user14943608381 · 12/11/2021 17:02

@CombatBarbie

I posted on your last thread. The stories are becoming more and more elaborate.... Have you asked to see a copy of his payslip or his I'd card.

He sounds like a dangerous fruit loop....

Yeah you did! Thank you! He wouldn’t show it, he’s not served a day in the navy yet, still working as a waiter but now he’s off to mi6 apparently under naval authority?
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