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Joining mi6- this is crazy right?

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user14943608381 · 12/11/2021 16:47

So posting for traffic.

Pre warned this is crazy but I promise it’s true.

I’d posted under another nickname of brother who has a history of lying and I’m not talking little white lies I’m talking pathological as well as really frankly dangerous behaviour. Stole pension money from elderly grandmother (was her x mas money and he cut it out of her suitcase), stole 10k worth of jewellery, pushed father undergoing chemo over, held knife to mothers throat, not mentioning the amount of times he hit me 6 ways to Sunday. He was never held accountable for anything which is why I think we have this issue today.

But the previous post was an elaborate tale of him joining the navy. He told this to my very sick (and now passed away father), he bought a few Royal Navy T-shirt’s from the highstreet (pretending they were part of his training uniform), army style boots and epaulettes from god knows where to illustrate the scam. No military in the family so all a bit ignorant on this. DF unbeknownst to everyone was suffering and easily confused, he totally fell for it. Brother, mid 30s , was at the time working as a waiter (earning close to min wage, no shaming here just for income purposes) made several elaborate purchases in a year that as a minimum would have cost 50k. Father was wealthy, it is my strong suspicion that the navy was used to gain money from a v sick and vulnerable person. Reason for believing it’s a scam there was no commendation ceremony, he alleged you get epaulettes as a gesture of good will from the navy and said he was so skilled they fast tracked his application and shortened basic training and was offered an incredibly senior commanding position with 0 experience.

This was 4 months ago, brother is still working as a waiter but now is telling other vulnerable relatives (widowed mum and GM) that he’s been enrolled in mi6 as an intelligence operative as they work under authority of the navy (of which is apparently as the rank of lieutenant commander), there are implications he’ll need money to move to london to do this. He’s screenshotted me his application, which just confirms an application submitted, not a post being offered and he said he can’t disclose more for ‘issues of national security’ and that image was from 12 weeks ago, but I looked online and it says it’s a 9 months hiring process, obviously because caliber of the person needs to be seriously vetted.

Can anyone confirm that his story is bollox? He can’t be joining mi6? He also said they have a join whenever start date policy. I’m concerned this is yet another scam and each time he gets away with it and leaves me to pick up the pieces of humiliated and upset relatives who despite past knowledge fall for it every single time.

The steer from family will be to carry on as if it’s true but I’m sure this has to be a crime? And I can’t be complicit in that.

I also have real concerns about how dangerous he could be if successful in application.

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Helpstopthepain · 12/11/2021 17:03

I remember your last thread.

Stop falling for his shit. You are enabling him by being an audience and paying him attention.

nanbread · 12/11/2021 17:06

I would just focus your energy we on warning your family members about him, as I'm not sure you can do anything about him sadly. Did he get prosecuted for the thefts?

MereDintofPandiculation · 12/11/2021 17:06

Yes I reckon it's bollocks. Vetting for ordinary civil service can take that long. Intelligence operatives need to be undercover which doesn't include boasting far and wide about it.

This is an account by someone who applied to MI5 and failed the developed vetting.

user14943608381 · 12/11/2021 17:07

@WhyDoesItAlways tbh he’s so sneaky with how he does it I couldn’t prove it, M doesn’t know or believe he took money from DF but it is very very clear. As for mi6 the cynic in me says it has to be to get cash or why else would you bother. It also fits his pattern of behaviour.

@Nanasueathome he does actually have a 2:1 degree, that is actually real

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HoardingSamphireSaurus · 12/11/2021 17:08

Tis definitely bollocks.

You already know his application wouldn't have crossed more than 1 desk by now, he cannot have been vetted.

He isn't anything in the navy either. You don't get fast tracked through basic training, ever. So his building block for the bigger lie is also bollocks.

Ignoring everything else he has ever said or done, even where he the Archbishop of Canterbury or the Pope, his alleged timescales would make him a liar.

He is lying.

He is a liar.

ThreeB · 12/11/2021 17:08

First rule of applying for the Security Services is you can't tell anyone you're applying for the Security Services and your job offer can be withdrawn if it is found out you've discussed it with people.

The last thread was bad enough but he's now just being silly as well as stupid.

Did you ever ask him what JPA was as per Combat Barbies suggestion?

ComtesseDeSpair · 12/11/2021 17:09

I don’t think it’s the case that they think it’s BS, he’s taken tens of thousands of quid before from numerous schemes, the most recent being the navy one.

I haven’t seen your previous threads it appears you have, and I don’t know what you mean by “schemes” so can’t comment on the nature of whether he’s defrauding people or not: telling your parent (who presumably has mental capacity?) a tall tale about why you need some money from them and them giving you money as a result isn’t, in itself, fraudulent. Stealing from your grandmother is obviously a crime.

PlausibleSuit · 12/11/2021 17:11

Utter hooey.

TheCanyon · 12/11/2021 17:12

My dh worked security at Vauxhall cross. There is not a chance in hell your db would be allowed within 10 feet of the building and you would certainly hear from them well before he got anywhere near any form of employment there.

horseymum · 12/11/2021 17:12

I had a friend who was invited to apply for mi5/6 years ago. He told his flatmates. Further down the letter it said basically don't even tell anyone at this stage. He realised he wasn't cut out for that so binned the letter! You can't tell people you are in it. It would be civil service or communications or something you would probably have to say.

user14943608381 · 12/11/2021 17:14

@ComtesseDeSpair

I don’t think it’s the case that they think it’s BS, he’s taken tens of thousands of quid before from numerous schemes, the most recent being the navy one.

I haven’t seen your previous threads it appears you have, and I don’t know what you mean by “schemes” so can’t comment on the nature of whether he’s defrauding people or not: telling your parent (who presumably has mental capacity?) a tall tale about why you need some money from them and them giving you money as a result isn’t, in itself, fraudulent. Stealing from your grandmother is obviously a crime.

That’s what i mean it isn’t itself fraudulent but it’s obviously morally abhorrent. There have been several other things like this too, navy was just the most recent. Actually capacity could be debated, in hindsight, DF had pretty significant infection that made him quite forgetful and unpredictable.

@ThreeB I did and he said he can’t disclose it but has yet to serve a day in the navy due to now his pending move to mi6 under naval authority.

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alfagirl73 · 12/11/2021 17:15

Well your first clue that it's BS is that he told you. My understanding is you're not allowed to tell anyone about your application - they're SUPER strict about vetting - it's VERY rigorous and takes a long time. The fact he's linking it to the Navy etc... - he's been watching too many Bond films by the sounds of it! Also - they're not hiring for Intelligence Officers right now as I understand it.

Rannva · 12/11/2021 17:17

He sounds very ill. Stay away from him.

Biker47 · 12/11/2021 17:19

Said in the last thread he's a total Walter Mitty fantasist, sounds like he thinks he's James Bond now. You need to start calling him out publicly about it.

And I still recommend attending his wedding in full Royal Navy dress uniform, I recommend you go as the the rank of Admiral of the Fleet to outrank him.

Thefartingsofaofdenmarkstreet · 12/11/2021 17:20

I would honestly just say, 'that's nice but I don't believe you' and leave it at that. As a PP says, by indulging this shit in any way at all you are just encouraging him. And I would tell your family members that you don't believe him either and that they should do the same.

DiscoStusMoonboots · 12/11/2021 17:20

I interviewed for MI5 shortly after I left uni. Passed the initial application, then was called in for assessment centre about 6 weeks later. 1:1 phone interview a month on from that, which I failed. Regardless of your brother's previously shady dealings, this just doesn't add up, timewise.

Also, I'm assuming the police were contacted about the incident with the knife? No way would he pass enhanced CRB checks with that in his past.

Waahingwashingwashing · 12/11/2021 17:20

It’s complete bullshit.

Can’t tell you how I know that

You know it’s bullshit. Why are you going along with this?

DiscoStusMoonboots · 12/11/2021 17:22

Also - as many others have said - the secrecy issue is fundamental! I was told I couldn't even tell my parents unless I reacher final stages, in which case they might also be interviewed as a security precaution. He's having you on.

user14943608381 · 12/11/2021 17:23

@nanbread

I would just focus your energy we on warning your family members about him, as I'm not sure you can do anything about him sadly. Did he get prosecuted for the thefts?
M won’t believe it’s BS, in fact this all came about after I had an conversation wit uncle and GM about the navy saga. GM then asked him and this is when mi6 came out. I’d have dismissed it as off the cuff bollox but he’d already told M about it. Then sent me the screenshots and called me a hateful bitch and warned me to watch out
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HoardingSamphireSaurus · 12/11/2021 17:23

Start referring to him as Billy Liar.

All the time, to every one.

You may not be able to change what he has done but you can do your best to highlight his twaddle from now on.

Be blunt, don't even try and be polite. You can't do that and do your best by other relatives.

user14943608381 · 12/11/2021 17:25

@Biker47

Said in the last thread he's a total Walter Mitty fantasist, sounds like he thinks he's James Bond now. You need to start calling him out publicly about it.

And I still recommend attending his wedding in full Royal Navy dress uniform, I recommend you go as the the rank of Admiral of the Fleet to outrank him.

Wedding has been cancelled… split up. Maybe the lies came out
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user14943608381 · 12/11/2021 17:29

@DiscoStusMoonboots nope, no one contacted no charges filed. Police have been called once by M and once by me, separate occasions, thought he was genuinely going to kill me, M apparently did the same (wasn’t there). When I called M told police I was lying (we were teens) and when M called, it came full circle and F told police M was exaggerating.

Never had a single consequence in his life. Which does worth me as there is no trail of all the shit he’s done or how dangerous he is for a Job like this

@Waahingwashingwashing definitely not going along with yet another delusional fantasy or extortion scheme just wanted to check i wasn’t completely off base when warning fam, still not sure about telling mi6 recruitment

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KittenCatcher · 12/11/2021 17:31

Has he ever been reported to the police, he is a violent dangerous fantasist who has threatened you and has stolen from his family.

nomorefrogs · 12/11/2021 17:31

Everyone knows that all James Bond films show is Daniel Craig asking customers if they want mushy or garden peas with their fish and chips.

user14943608381 · 12/11/2021 17:36

@KittenCatcher

Has he ever been reported to the police, he is a violent dangerous fantasist who has threatened you and has stolen from his family.
No @KittenCatcher excuses have always been made for him. It’s tragic but it used to be an unwritten rule in my house to carry dummy credit and debit cards and hide your real ones, don’t leave watches or jewellery around and never bring more than £5 into the house. M used to hide her real cards and keep them on her body and next to her at night when she slept.
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