Joining mi6- this is crazy right?

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So posting for traffic.

Pre warned this is crazy but I promise it’s true.

I’d posted under another nickname of brother who has a history of lying and I’m not talking little white lies I’m talking pathological as well as really frankly dangerous behaviour. Stole pension money from elderly grandmother (was her x mas money and he cut it out of her suitcase), stole 10k worth of jewellery, pushed father undergoing chemo over, held knife to mothers throat, not mentioning the amount of times he hit me 6 ways to Sunday. He was never held accountable for anything which is why I think we have this issue today.

But the previous post was an elaborate tale of him joining the navy. He told this to my very sick (and now passed away father), he bought a few Royal Navy T-shirt’s from the highstreet (pretending they were part of his training uniform), army style boots and epaulettes from god knows where to illustrate the scam. No military in the family so all a bit ignorant on this. DF unbeknownst to everyone was suffering and easily confused, he totally fell for it. Brother, mid 30s , was at the time working as a waiter (earning close to min wage, no shaming here just for income purposes) made several elaborate purchases in a year that as a minimum would have cost 50k. Father was wealthy, it is my strong suspicion that the navy was used to gain money from a v sick and vulnerable person. Reason for believing it’s a scam there was no commendation ceremony, he alleged you get epaulettes as a gesture of good will from the navy and said he was so skilled they fast tracked his application and shortened basic training and was offered an incredibly senior commanding position with 0 experience.

This was 4 months ago, brother is still working as a waiter but now is telling other vulnerable relatives (widowed mum and GM) that he’s been enrolled in mi6 as an intelligence operative as they work under authority of the navy (of which is apparently as the rank of lieutenant commander), there are implications he’ll need money to move to london to do this. He’s screenshotted me his application, which just confirms an application submitted, not a post being offered and he said he can’t disclose more for ‘issues of national security’ and that image was from 12 weeks ago, but I looked online and it says it’s a 9 months hiring process, obviously because caliber of the person needs to be seriously vetted.

Can anyone confirm that his story is bollox? He can’t be joining mi6? He also said they have a join whenever start date policy. I’m concerned this is yet another scam and each time he gets away with it and leaves me to pick up the pieces of humiliated and upset relatives who despite past knowledge fall for it every single time.

The steer from family will be to carry on as if it’s true but I’m sure this has to be a crime? And I can’t be complicit in that.

I also have real concerns about how dangerous he could be if successful in application.

@nathanandfanny

OP: I think you realise by now that this is 100 per cent rubbish. I think you need to consider now how you are going to prove this to your vulnerable relatives in a way that won’t let him talk them round. It wouldn’t matter but it sounds as if you believe he is Going to financially exploit them. You could get an email confirmation from the navy that he’s not in the navy and they do not fast react. Two or three fact lines might nip it in the bud?

@nathanandfanny absolutely its 100% fiction, before this thread I was 99.5% sure it was all bs but there was a teeny tiny doubt that’s all gone. Thanks MNetters 😊

It’s the solid proof that will be needed to show family. I’m not sure how to get that. On the advice of the other thread I actually messaged Royal Navy recruitment and asked them some general questions about applying and epaulettes based on what he said, they confirmed it was bollox. Told M and she wanted to complain about data protection and violation of his privacy. Sent said screenshots to uncle and thats what led to GM asking him about it. The mi6 thing has got her sucked back in though, especially as his cop out for any info is ‘ I can’t disclose that due to national security’

I have no qualifications in this area, but he sounds like a psychopath to me. If he has indeed applied to Mi6 - they would take a brief look, realise he's a nut job and immediately sling his application in the bin.

To be honest, I'd be worried if I were you, and I would go to the police again and tell them everything. They have more of an idea of coercive control and financial abuse within families nowadays, and perhaps you might have a better chance of stopping him. He could potentially be very dangerous and you can't tackle him yourself.

I second this. The MI6 application isn’t worrying in itself unless he manages to use it to extract money from people on the back of his claims . He has form for being violent, threatening and manipulative and I would focus on your safety and the people in your family/friends who he might target. I’m not a ‘log it with the police ‘ type but in this situation I think it’s warranted. I’d not respond to him yourself at all until you’ve done that.

My exh was interviewed by GCHQ and to even get to interview stage he had to submit his families passports and full details for everyone he was close to to be vetted

He didn’t even take the job, so no idea how much extra vetting would be required for someone hired into mi6

I also know someone else who has married into the family who used to work for mi6, probably still does, but it’s all very secret and he hasn’t actually told anything to us it’s just little hints his wife has told us

@Namechangetimes100

It is possible to believe anything if it is repeated enough. That is why your brother is able to get to where he is.

Having married into a family with a Sea Lord and having spent several years in the army, I can confirm your brother is an absolute fantasist. To get to Lft Commander, would take about 10 years of service including training. It is a senior rank. Exceptionally, it is possible to reach seniority quicker if someone has the right skills or unique set of qualifications. I knew someone who achieved the rank of Major by the time they were 30, but this was because of their qualification as a vet to treat military horses and dogs and run an effective army veterinary team.

The only similarity your brother has is horse shit.

Jesus, he sounds like a total psychopath. I bet MI6 gets people like him applying all the time.

Good luck convincing your relatives OP. He’s really done a number on him if they believe him after all the shit he’s inflicted on them in the past.

Honestly I have never ever read such batshittery

@IntemperateSpirits

Did he, aye?

If I were you I would also apply and screenshot it and just sent it back to him. Tell him he made it sound so exciting. What a twat. Does someone other than him have financial PoA for your grandparents and mother?

@IntemperateSpirits luckily he has no poa or financial authority over anyone. He’s just a weasel and he’s floundered all his life, so family are so desperate to believe he’s finally sorted his act out that they do anything to support it, but it’s all smoke, mirrors and apparently epaulettes got off eBay.

He’ll be joint beneficiary of M’s estate with me, but that’s a problem for another day.

Load of rubbish.

I wonder who long it will be before he rocks up in take a break, having swindled some woman out of her life savings?

Of course it’s total bollocks.

I knows someone who applied to MI5 and they had exams + zillions of interviews. They had to be 100% open and honest about every single aspect of their life to guard against blackmail - Literally they had to chronicle every drug they’d ever taken, everyone they’d ever shagged, bank and credit card statements going back years.

They wouldn’t even have let DB in the door.

Stole pension money from elderly grandmother (was her x mas money and he cut it out of her suitcase), stole 10k worth of jewellery, pushed father undergoing chemo over, held knife to mothers throat, not mentioning the amount of times he hit me 6 ways to Sunday. He was never held accountable for anything

Why has he never been held accountable for any of these actions? I'm pretty sure all of them are illegal.

Total bollocks. Which of course you know. There is zero chance he would ever get through Developed Vetting, which is required for the security services. I am SC cleared and that was intrusive enough. DV is a whole other ball game! They go through your entire life and history with an extremely fine tooth comb and speak to family members if they deem it appropriate. Nothing is out of bounds.

And Lieutenant Commander sounds impressive but it isn't that senior. It's equivalent to HEO grade in the Civil Service. For context, an HEO wouldn't be senior enough to be managing a high street Jobcentre. That would be somebody one grade or probably two above.

As a CS (G7) my equivalent armed forces ranks are Colonel (Army), Commander (Navy) and Group Captain (RAF). The CS does this because civilian CS are often attached to/supporting work that the armed forces are undertaking and they want to ensure that rank privileges are applied equally.

My former colleague, who was SCS had Brigadier status, which was brilliant. She was broad Glaswegian, drank like a fish and swore like a trooper. I don't think the Officer's Mess quite knew what hit them after her visit!

Oh @Clun ‘ The only similarity your brother has is horse shit’ that made me chuckle

I've seen adverts before on Reed under administration vacancies. I seem to remember you're not meant to tell anyone you've applied.

@BelindaBumcrack it would be even tougher than DV, security services do their own vetting and it'll be much more in-depth than DV. He wouldn't stand a chance lol.

Also has he got the navy thing from James Bond? Wasn't he in the navy at some point? As far as I'm aware SIS is sponsored by FCDO, nothing to do with the MoD or the navy.

[quote userisi]@BelindaBumcrack it would be even tougher than DV, security services do their own vetting and it'll be much more in-depth than DV. He wouldn't stand a chance lol.[/quote]
Totally agree!! Pants on fire!

It's another lie. You know this, you don't need strangers to tell you that your abusive, violent, thieving, lying sibling is being manipulative and financially abusive once again.

He will continue this as long as anyone allows it, which looks to be for the rest of his life.

@LinoVentura

Stole pension money from elderly grandmother (was her x mas money and he cut it out of her suitcase), stole 10k worth of jewellery, pushed father undergoing chemo over, held knife to mothers throat, not mentioning the amount of times he hit me 6 ways to Sunday. He was never held accountable for anything

Why has he never been held accountable for any of these actions? I'm pretty sure all of them are illegal.

@LinoVentura It really bothers me too,

The pension money stolen from GM was found about on x mas eve (said GM has now passed away) she wasn’t very mobile and the bank where she lived with M, had v limited opening. So she’d save up money of the course of the year and kept it in her suitcase, to give M money for c mas gifts. I’d come down to visit that day, GM went to give cash to M about £1500, and found it gone, she kept it in a locked (with a padlock) pocket and en envelope with the tally of the cash out in. the pocket had been accessed by someone cutting through the seam from the outside. B blamed me, and then said but you had builders in to M (she did but only to quote for new Windows). So a tiny fragment of doubt.
He blamed jewellery on me also, even though I wasn’t living there and it was taken out of a locked safe, his ex gf was wearing a ring identical to one that was taken (vs1 diamond eternity ring so not cheap), remaining jewellery was found in his room when m went ‘oh I can’t deal with the mess anymore, I’m cleaning’.

The assaults were just plain dismissed even though fucking vile.

This might not be of any use, he can just lie his way out of it, but you could use it to challenge him.

Years ago a family friend checked her neighbour who reckoned to be a brigadier. He wasn’t.

find military personel

Really though, as others say, distance yourself and grey rock him.

I know someone who works for MI6. Absolute bullshit.
Also if he's being serious tell him the only way of moving up is being truthful about EVERYTHING. In case you're ever held hostage so there's nothing you can be blackmailed about from sexual positions to kinks. And yes they do fucking ask you shit like that.

@KittenCatcher

Has he ever been reported to the police, he is a violent dangerous fantasist who has threatened you and has stolen from his family.

Ah, and you think they might have a job for him.,

Years ago at a dinner party a guest went into great detail on his military experiences. I sensed bullshit so I let him continue and exhaust himself.

Then I asked him too simple questions. What was his regiment. What was his army number.

He could not remember his regiment because it "was over 20 years ago". Bullshit. You never forget your regiment in the same way you would never forget your first school.

But most of all, you never forget your army number. Ever. I called him out on those two points alone.

@DoesHePlayTheFiddle

Security services access all your online activity. They track down your close relatives and contacts. They're quite serious about what they do. So I heard.

I know someone who was asked about their pornography preferences...they literally knew everything

But most of all, you never forget your army number. Ever. I called him out on those two points alone.

I even know my husband's off by heart thanks to numerous calls to housing 😂😂