AIBU that world leaders can come together to discuss plastic as it kills dolphins but a 9 year old girl married to a 55 year old man goes unchallenged!

[Bonsaibreaker]

The title says it all.

Yes it's in the fail and in my rage I cannot work out how to copy the link.

Please tell me I'm wrong and missread the story?

Where women and girls are involved (unless they are famous) no- one gives a including other women.

I did my time thank you QA 1996 -2002 what about you?

I'm not the one proposing sending people to war.

I am surprised it took this long for someone to demand what about men!

I would not happily send anyone off to war however I think the war on women is just as worthy a fight as fighting for oil.

Still no thoughts on the millions of men who are murdered every year by various regimes? Why are the lives of women so much more important than the lives of men and boys? All lives are important, you can't pick and choose.

I think its equally insane that there are people on MN who don't care that a 9 yo has been sold to a 55 yo man or that 66,000 women and girls are murdered each year yet our world leaders do nothing about it.

People do care, but most of us are aware that this sort of thing has been going on in one part of the world or another for generations - you seem to have just found out and have rushed into print demanding that world leaders do something about it. What exactly do you propose they do? Starting wars in other countries is going to help in what way? You are coming across as extremely naive.

@Bonsaibreaker

Don’t want your life story but if you could give other people an idea of what you are personally doing to address this and what they might also do, that would obviously be more fruitful than just insulting people.

What are you doing to address the 66,000 female deaths a year?

What are you doing to address the 400,000 male ones?

@Bonsaibreaker

It seems you don't care two hoots about the many men who also suffer and are murdered by various regimes, with their deaths leaving the women in their family even more vulnerable. Nor about the men or women who you would happily send off to war. As a previous poster stated, no life is worth more or less than another.

I am surprised it took this long for someone to demand what about men!

I would not happily send anyone off to war however I think the war on women is just as worthy a fight as fighting for oil.

Oh I see.. so you are allowed to engage in whataboutery but other aren't.

It's a horrible, desperate situation in Afghanistan it truly is. They're no longer receiving aid because other nations don't trust the taliban with it.

Desperately, Desperately sad.

The climate crisis also needs taking about.

The language used in the article makes me angry too.

Once a girl is sold as a child bride, she is extremely unlikely to continue her education and many are forced to have unconsensual sex with their buyers.

I think they mean raped by her buyer. Why are they pussy-footing around.

Also keeping using 'children' rather than 'girls' - because from what I can see it's specifically the girls being sold.

@Bonsaibreaker

How? Why? What are those countries going to do to convince the Taliban to abandon its ethos?

Fight it.
Let's not pretend war is not an option. Men have taken their countries to war for much less worthy causes. We have fought for land, for resources christ men have gone to war over a womans virtue
Why not go to war to protect and support women?

And how many women and girls will be killed in that war?

OP, while I agree with the idea that more needs to be done and see your point...

Your arguments are lazy, poorly preached and disrespectful.

The fact you couldn't even post the link in the opening post makes you seem either lazy or uneducated. You resort to sarcasm - the dolphin remarks are disgraceful and belittle the issues of climate change. You are being incredibly rude to supporters of reducing climate change.

You actually have a point worth making, to gather more support I suggest you greatly alter your attitude and present your arguments with more finesse. That way you might be taken more seriously.

The climate change summits are vital. But so is something similar for the poor girls you describe.

Im sure i read a antivaxer called a climate change denier an idiot!

@Bonsaibreaker

I think its equally insane that there are people on MN who don't care that a 9 yo has been sold to a 55 yo man or that 66,000 women and girls are murdered each year yet our world leaders do nothing about it.

What can they do about it?

Don’t kid yourself, they can’t do anything about climate change either.

Maybe China can go in and get them to mine copper. At least give people jobs, Taliban isn’t going anywhere anyway.

OP in your ridiculous rage against “dolphins” you’ve neglected one crucial point.

World leaders did, in fact, get together to discuss violence against women and girls very recently; and form plans to tackle it.

At the G7 summit earlier this year they discussed it and commissioned a report to lay out what needs to be done. The report was literally published 6 days ago: www.g7uk.org/g7-advisory-council-sets-out-detailed-vision-for-gender-equality/

Granted, it’s only recent; but I’d have thought that since you were so passionate about the subject you’d be up to date (or have at least taken 5 seconds to Google the phrase “summit for violence against women and girls” which brings the G7 up on the first page).

Or do you just want to pointlessly rant rather than actually engage with any high level discussion that’s going on? I’m assuming you’re now happy you can write to your MP constructively urging them to support the outcomes of the report and challenge them to action them? Or would you rather continue to froth on the Internet and do fuck all?

Skinnymimi -don’t tell me - you don’t believe in covid either 🙄

Of course it’s dreadful - but we are talking two separate issues here . Both hugely important

Climate change is a first world problem

While I agree climate change is important does that mean we ignore the here and now?

With those two statements you show a serious lack of awareness of climate change. Climate change is the opposite of a first world problem, and it absolutely is the here and now. The fact you don’t think climate change is the here and now shows just how much it is not a first world problem, because you clearly seem completely oblivious to the current devastating effects of it.

@Bonsaibreaker

If climate change is not reversed then every child, every mother, every father will be in trouble.

I know this but given that it is women who birth each generation shouldn't we educate from its core?
If the world leaders can get together to fight against plastic for the next generation why can they not get together for the 50% of the population that birth then next generation?

A man invented plastic Leo Baekeland and now its destroying the world.

OP

Perhaps you should start with a letter to President Biden.

Child marriage is legal in a number of US states, horrific as child marriage is, in Afghanistan it is illegal, it is legal however in:

California
Idaho
Maine
Massachusetts
Michigan
Mississippi
New Mexico
Oklahoma
Rhode Island
Washington
West Virginia
Wyoming

In fact if a man rapes a child and then marries her he will not be prosecuted in a lot of states.

(Oh but when reading the report you might want to skip pages 40-43 as that talks specifically about climate change’s impact on women and girls and that may make your head explode).

@Bonsaibreaker

You are odd.

I am 1 women on MN yet you demand to know how I will change the world. You demand my time and answers and you demean me where you see fit and if I don't answer as you like you dismiss me.

You say "you are active" but never say how or where or who.

I dont care if I don't meet your standards.

I think if the world leaders can meet for the climate they can meet for the 66,000 women and girls murdered every year.

No, come on. You’re not just one woman on Mumsnet. You’re a woman demanding a summit of global leaders. The onus is therefore on you to say what you want it to achieve.

I’ve repeatedly tried to engage with you in good faith; you don’t actually engage with substantive arguments which is frustrating.

I’ve set out some of the ways I support these causes, including financially, through volunteering, through campaigning and lobbying. If you’re looking for charities to support that are active in this space I’m happy to give my own thoughts; I’m not sure they’ll line up with your own aspirations, though. And I’m sure given the strength of your feeling you’re already taking this action anyway; I don’t want to patronise you.

I’ll tell you, though, the best thing I think a global conference could achieve for women and girls in Afghanistan right now, and that’s a coordinated and concerted asylum programme. And I hate that that’s the case, but it’s the reality.

The two issues can't be compared. That's what makes this thread absurd.

As I see it the big difference here is that in relation to climate change there are very real things we can all do as individuals - reusable nappies, reduce our consumption of single use plastics, electric cars and the list goes on. We can put pressure on big business also by voting with our feet. It's not just about helping the poor dolphins. Statements like that are extremely offensive to people that put a lot of work in to spreading climate change awareness.

There is little I can personally do, as a 36 Yr old Mum from Doncaster, to make any change to the abuse of women and children. I educate my children and of course would intervention if a saw a child in real harm but what can I do about a 9 year old in a very guarded country. Noone is saying they don't care about these issues we are all just limited as to what we can do.

People feel just as strongly as you OP about many issues.

• how people with learning disabilities have significantly poorer health outcomes compared to the rest if the population in the UK, a first world country?
• how people, worldwide, that don't confirm to heterosexual norms are persecuted?
• FGM?
• the way animals are treated in some parts of the meat and dairy industry?
• etc
• etc

Some issues we have more power to change than others.

Both subjects are important of course, but they have to be discussed in order.
Imagine all the world leaders coming together and saying ' right, that's the dolphins out of the way. Now, about these child brides Terry '.
If the world doesn't act now then everyone will have a lot more to worry about unfortunately.
You would do well to make yourself a cuppa and settle down to read the link which Dyrne has posted.
Then, rather than foaming on the net, perhaps form your own group to petition against child brides and abuse.
Or, put yourself up in your local elections as an MP in order to lobby the government.
I understand why you might feel angry or frustrated, but screaming about why the world leaders aren't discussing child brides rather than climate change isn't going to gain you much support or sympathy.

Why so much hate towards the op

I understand why you might feel angry or frustrated, but screaming

Whos screaming?

Seriously what is it with people when a woman voices an opinion she is either screaming, being shrill, hysterical a loon, stupid, indicated?

Dyrne you are another who is missing the point and instead chooses to assume I am stupid and do not understand the impact of climate change. Does it make you feel superior to put me down?

Jassy you are another who clearly likes to feel superior. I have repeatedly engaged with you and explained myself but it appears not to be good enough for you so I am choosing not to continue trying to meet your demands.

Why so much hate towards the op

Because I have the nerve to disagree with them so they feel the need to call me names, assume I am thick/unread because it makes them feel good is my guess.

Because that's how you're coming across op.
Whilst the two subjects are emotive, they're not comparable.
On climate change the world has to come together and act now, for everyone's future, both ours and the future generations.

@Bonsaibreaker if you’d started this thread in good faith then people would have engaged with you. Instead you made sweeping (incorrect) assumptions and spent the first half of the thread asserting that anyone that cared about climate change doesn’t care about VAWG.

If you want to have a genuine discussion about it (perhaps debating the pros and cons of the report I linked to?) then by all means, start another more sensible thread.

you are another who clearly likes to feel superior. I have repeatedly engaged with you and explained myself but it appears not to be good enough for you so I am choosing not to continue trying to meet your demands.

You really haven’t engaged. You’ve responded to posts based on evidence with rants and whataboutery. There’s been no evidence or detail You’ve repeatedly made statements you can’t back up. If that’s ‘engaging’ then meaningful discourse on complex issues is doomed.

I have a hell of a lot of sympathy with the position that we need a lot more attention paid to ending violence against women and girls globally.

Detail-free ranting is a terrible way to go about achieving it.