AIBU that world leaders can come together to discuss plastic as it kills dolphins but a 9 year old girl married to a 55 year old man goes unchallenged!

[Bonsaibreaker]

The title says it all.

Yes it's in the fail and in my rage I cannot work out how to copy the link.

Please tell me I'm wrong and missread the story?

So the most powerful leaders in the world can do jack? They let the Taliban in.
If the women and girls were oil then the world leaders would soon be involved.
Hell if it were men that were treated this way it would never happen in the first place!

Did you miss the bit where I agreed that Afghanistan was an almighty fuckup of our making?

I’m honestly asking you. What is your right-now solution to oppressive regimes against women. Not sarcasm, not misrepresentations. What solution are you suggesting - for Afghanistan, and those other regimes?

You appear to think it’s a summit. What would that summit do to effect change in Afghanistan?

You are very keen to criticise others because you think their approaches are wrong; you are less forthcoming with your own ideas.

@Bonsaibreaker

Taliban to change its abhorrent policies. You may think differently, so I’m keen to be enlightened in how you think it would.

I dont know maybe the world's leaders gathering together with all their power may convince them?

Let's face it there are 20 plus more powerful countries than the Taliban.

How? Why? What are those countries going to do to convince the Taliban to abandon its ethos?

Which powers are you talking? Economic sanctions (often catastrophic for the most vulnerable) or military action? I’m not sure there’s a great deal of credibility on the military action front.

YANBU. Re CoP the number of private jets & motorcade cars involved is sickening enough before you start looking at the fact that the government is seeking to import meat from NZ etc. The hypocrisy is galling.

Sadly, as far as I can see, politicians in the U.K. / the west in general seem more intent on removing rather than enhancing women's rights at present.

Incase it has been lost over several pages my view is this.

Yes a climate summit is important. It affects us all.we have to protect future generations.

However given the pandemic of murder rape and persecution of women and girls throughout the world which has so far been forever and is getting worse when will the world leaders who the majority are men meet and discuss that?

How? Why? What are those countries going to do to convince the Taliban to abandon its ethos?

Fight it.
Let's not pretend war is not an option. Men have taken their countries to war for much less worthy causes. We have fought for land, for resources christ men have gone to war over a womans virtue
Why not go to war to protect and support women?

Yes a climate summit is important. It affects us all.we have to protect future generations.

Then it would be really great if you would stop characterising it as ‘talking about dolphins/recycling/plastic.’

However given the pandemic of murder rape and persecution of women and girls throughout the world which has so far been forever and is getting worse when will the world leaders who the majority are men meet and discuss that?

I don’t disagree, but as I’ve mentioned previous summits and agreements haven’t achieved very much. What do we want those discussions to produce?

These things only ever happen because people campaign for them. So if we’re going to demand a summit, we should have an idea of what we want the outputs to be in a practical sense.

@Sciurus83

You've displayed a lot of ignorance and refused to engage with any of the sensible posters who have reasonably said why both these things are important and related. You've created a straw man argument based on false assumptions and now are calling everyone else stupid and saying you were just being sarcastic because I think you may be starting to see that your premise is wrong but it's easier to call everyone else dumb and they didn't understand your humour than admit that. But that's fine. You aren't wrong to be angry about these issues AT ALL. Hopefully you will see that they are not at odds once you've done a bit more of your own research and will find you have more allies than you thought. Because you do, especially in climate campaigners. See you when you get there!

Both these things are important but one seems to get a lot more global focus than the other.

Jassy get off that horse.

I have admitted I was being flippant about the dolphins. However my point still stands.

The majority male leaders of the world will get together to discuss the future possible outcome yet 66,000 women and girls are MURDERED every year and it cannot warrant a zoom call?

@Bonsaibreaker

How? Why? What are those countries going to do to convince the Taliban to abandon its ethos?

Fight it.
Let's not pretend war is not an option. Men have taken their countries to war for much less worthy causes. We have fought for land, for resources christ men have gone to war over a womans virtue
Why not go to war to protect and support women?

Again, we just spent 20 years in Afghanistan at war

Fight it.
Let's not pretend war is not an option. Men have taken their countries to war for much less worthy causes. We have fought for land, for resources christ men have gone to war over a womans virtue

Ok, that’s a practical course of action. I don’t think it’s a feasible one - twenty years of military occupation didn’t stop the Taliban, and democracies have a limited and waning tolerance for open ended military interventions, as we saw particularly in the US over Afghanistan.

UN intervention forces need to be invited in, so I don’t think a leader’s summit would be much use to you.

So it’s clear I think there are problems. But it’s a position, and therefore one you should feel able to campaign for. It’s not one I will support you on, not least because this is not an issue limited to Afghanistan. Do we invade Saudi Arabia too?

So if we’re going to demand a summit, we should have an idea of what we want the outputs to be in a practical sense.

Every country in the world has womens groups fighting for change, in some of those countries those women are murdered for it.

Are you not listening?

The majority male leaders of the world will get together to discuss the future possible outcome

Those outcomes are happening now. People are literally starving to death.

yet 66,000 women and girls are MURDERED every year and it cannot warrant a zoom call?

Again, I don’t disagree that both are important. I think the mechanisms for addressing the problems are very different, but then I don’t think military intervention is a particularly sustainable solution and you’ve fuck all chance of the security council agreeing to it.

Ok, that’s a practical course of action. I don’t think it’s a feasible one - twenty years of military occupation didn’t stop the Taliban

Actually it did.
It was only the US and weak UK that would not allow the country liberty then pulling out that allowed the Taluban in to power.

Any country that treats its women as second class citizens should be taken in hand. I count the UK and US in that as they are no better they just pretend to be.

Every country in the world has womens groups fighting for change, in some of those countries those women are murdered for it.

Are you not listening?

Yes. Are you?

What is the practical outcome you want from the summit you’re demanding? That will improve things for the women in those countries?

As I’ve said, I’m quite active in supporting a number of these groups. I see very few of them calling for a summit as a meaningful way to effect change. They’ve seen too many now.

I see even fewer calling for their country to be invaded.

you’ve fuck all chance of the security council agreeing to it.

Well of course not. Women and girls are less important than oil or the o zone layer.

Any country that treats its women as second class citizens should be taken in hand. I count the UK and US in that as they are no better they just pretend to be.

So who’s going to do this taking in hand?

Capacity building in Afghanistan was inadequate and the withdrawal was a disaster.

But no, the Taliban wasn’t stopped. It went below the radar and bided its time, and gathered support.

You are odd.

I am 1 women on MN yet you demand to know how I will change the world. You demand my time and answers and you demean me where you see fit and if I don't answer as you like you dismiss me.

You say "you are active" but never say how or where or who.

I dont care if I don't meet your standards.

I think if the world leaders can meet for the climate they can meet for the 66,000 women and girls murdered every year.

Why not go to war to protect and support women?

Troops have only just left Afghanistan - are you prosposing they simply turn around and go back? Do I see you vounteering to join them? Thought not.

I see the suffering rape and murder of girls and women alive right now as a priority. I should not be called stupid a loon or crazy for that yet I have...by other women. That is fucked up to me.

It seems you don't care two hoots about the many men who also suffer and are murdered by various regimes, with their deaths leaving the women in their family even more vulnerable. Nor about the men or women who you would happily send off to war. As a previous poster stated, no life is worth more or less than another.

There is nothing wrong with your outrage - but do you seriously believe that ranting about it on MN is going to change anything.

Do I see you vounteering to join them? Thought not.

I did my time thank you QA 1996 -2002 what about you?

It seems you don't care two hoots about the many men who also suffer and are murdered by various regimes, with their deaths leaving the women in their family even more vulnerable. Nor about the men or women who you would happily send off to war. As a previous poster stated, no life is worth more or less than another.

I am surprised it took this long for someone to demand what about men!

I would not happily send anyone off to war however I think the war on women is just as worthy a fight as fighting for oil.

The article linked says he will sell his 2 year old next. Those poor children. That is awful.

This thread is insane!!! I didn’t realise there are STILL people out there who are not aware of the facts re climate change.

And the fact some people on here are saying they don’t care about it. Mind blowing.

But that’s why mumsnet is good really - to remind you that these sort of people do in fact exist

I think its equally insane that there are people on MN who don't care that a 9 yo has been sold to a 55 yo man or that 66,000 women and girls are murdered each year yet our world leaders do nothing about it.

Nobody here has said they don’t care tho?

Climate change is a global disaster that will affect very human on earth but most especially poorer nations and women and children

The endemic violence towards women and girls is also a global issue and I think you’re right to be angry that there doesn’t seem to be a global response

Not sure why the ire and scathing attitude however as you’ve been repeatedly informed that it’s a straw man argument that furthers neither cause.
Successful climate talks will help women and girls
But getcampaigning for a more international response about this particular case because passionate people are needed