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AIBU that world leaders can come together to discuss plastic as it kills dolphins but a 9 year old girl married to a 55 year old man goes unchallenged!

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Bonsaibreaker · 02/11/2021 22:25

The title says it all.

Yes it's in the fail and in my rage I cannot work out how to copy the link.

Please tell me I'm wrong and missread the story?

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Bonsaibreaker · 03/11/2021 00:22

but why do you naively imagine that world leaders can come together to dictate what other countries consider a crime? You really don't have a clue do you.

World leaders can come together to discuss how to recycle but not how to save the lives of women and girls....I have no words.

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MrsSkylerWhite · 03/11/2021 00:23

I’m not doing anything at all but I didn’t post about the issue on Mumsnet AIBU.

So, basically, you’re shouting loudly but doing nothing personally?

Okay. Goodnight.

Sciurus83 · 03/11/2021 00:27

How ridiculous. Direct your anger more appropriately.

Bonsaibreaker · 03/11/2021 00:29

So, basically, you’re shouting loudly but doing nothing personally?

That's your assumption.
You dont know me or what I do.
However shouting loudly on a popular forum in the hope to be heard isn't nothing.
What are you doing for the climate or the rape and murder of women and girls? Apart from bitch at me?

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Bonsaibreaker · 03/11/2021 00:30

How ridiculous. Direct your anger more appropriately.

Where?

MN has hundreds of thousands of members. Is this not a good start?

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MrsSkylerWhite · 03/11/2021 00:36

“You dont know me or what I do. “

No. Obviously. Enlighten everyone, do.
Or is it top secret?
No? Thought not.

Either tell people what needs to be done - from a position of authority - or just shut the fuck up.

JassyRadlett · 03/11/2021 00:37

Both these issues need to be tackled, urgently. While there is little the UK scan do in Afghanistan after the mighty cock

But minimising climate change and the very real effects it’s having on some of the world’s poorest as ‘plastics and dolphins’ is a terrible way to try to draw attention to the issue.

The Girl Summit in 2014 was a reasonable starting point but didn’t do nearly enough and most importantly didn’t become a regular thing. The UN does not put enough resources into this, and summits and charters tend to be one offs rather than getting sustained political pressure.

No life is worth more or less than another. Minimising the current and future death and suffering of thousands because you see the suffering of others as more deserving of attention is frankly abhorrent.

The people suffering extreme hunger in Madagascar as a result of a catastrophic drought that scientists have directly linked to climate change are not ‘first world’ or ‘dolphins’. They are extremely poor men, women and children.

The people in low-lying island nations who are seeing their home, livelihoods and basic subsistence destroyed due to inundation and salinification of arable lands and the saline contamination of their groundwater supplies because of sea level rise aren’t in ‘the first world’.

The millions in Bangladesh who are at severe risk from climate impacts aren’t in ‘the first world’.

The poorer and hungrier and more desperate people are, the less likely girls are to be educated and respected, and the more likely they are to be at risk.

Economic development and education have long been a path out of some of the direst breeding grounds for violence against women and girls. Climate change puts that development and the education it pays for at risk. The more desperate people are, the more likely they are to do desperate and appalling things that are either enabled or ignored by despicable regimes.

JassyRadlett · 03/11/2021 00:39

World leaders can come together to discuss how to recycle but not how to save the lives of women and girls....I have no words.

Can you share with us which of the draft lines of the negotiated texts deal with recycling methods? I’m sure we’d all love to be enlightened.

I believe in saving the lives of women and girls. Which is why I believe that success in climate negotiations is absolutely critical.

MrsSkylerWhite · 03/11/2021 00:40

(In answer to your question, I’m doing quite a lot in respect of climate change.
In respect of the rape of little girls, I’m doing nothing other than making sure my own was safe, after my own horrific childhood because that was enough for me.
You?)
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Bonsaibreaker · 03/11/2021 00:41

Either tell people what needs to be done - from a position of authority - or just shut the fuck up.

Do people really need instructions in order not to rape and murder women and girls or condone the rape and murder of women and girls?

Do I need to point out why it's wrong?
Do I need to be in a position of power for you to to see rape and murder of women and girls is wrong?

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Bonsaibreaker · 03/11/2021 00:44

I believe in saving the lives of women and girls. Which is why I believe that success in climate negotiations is absolutely critical.

Jassy
I am as this thread has pointed out ignorant. Please explain how climate change will save the lives of 66,000 women and girls murdered every year.

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Sciurus83 · 03/11/2021 00:45

Not at climate change, which disproportionately affects and will affect the most vulnerable, ie women and girls. There is an enormous amount of research by the UN on this, but this Marie Claire article is a good introduction if it's a topic that is new to you. www.google.com/amp/s/www.marieclaire.co.uk/life/sustainability/climate-change-impact-753360/amp It's really not about straws and dolphins. The situation in Afghanistan is hideous and heartbreaking, and made all the worse knowing how much we in the west have worsened the situation with decades upon decades of using it as and arena to play out global politics through war. It has been a strategically significant country for hundreds of years, and because of that it's population have disproportionately suffered for the same amount of time. You are right to be angry about what is happening there, I doubt there are many people on this site who do not share that view. But these are complex interrelated issues, whataboutism won't get very far in solving them.

Skinnymimi · 03/11/2021 00:49

@Bonsaibreaker Let it go. Climate change might touch them. These little girls never will.

Bonsaibreaker · 03/11/2021 00:49

MrsSky

I am truly sorry you went through that.
I am myself a CSA survivor and my job is in child services and domestic violence which may explain my passion.
I dont expect you to do anything. Yet you call me a loon, stupid and DEMAND to know what I am doing while at the same time dismissing my concerns and doing nothing yourself.

We all choose our hill. This is mine.

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araiwa · 03/11/2021 00:49

A 20 year invasion of Afghanistan that cost trillions of dollars and many lives just ended.

But nobody is doing anything?

JassyRadlett · 03/11/2021 00:51

I am as this thread has pointed out ignorant. Please explain how climate change will save the lives of 66,000 women and girls murdered every year.

Why are you pretending I’ve claimed something I have not? It’s incredibly dishonest. Why don’t you think your arguments can stand on their own merits, without lies?

However. Those 66,000 won’t be helped one iota by catastrophic climate change. Failure in Glasgow and beyond will likely put even more at risk.

The things that can help lift women out of situations where the risk of violence is higher - economic development and education - will be imperilled by the impacts of climate change in poor nations. So that number will likely increase if climate change isn’t controlled.

And other women and girls will die of hunger, or lack of water. Still others will become refugees, which we know puts women and girls at disproportionate risk of exploitation, violence and death.

Why do you think the lives of the latter en and girls aren’t as important? Why do you minimise them?

Bonsaibreaker · 03/11/2021 00:51

Skinny
Climate change might touch them. These little girls never will.

But why?
I honestly don't understand?

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Sciurus83 · 03/11/2021 00:51

www.npr.org/2021/09/14/1037085221/afghanistan-the-rise-of-the-taliban This hour long podcast is one of the best summaries of the history of Afghanistan and how the Taliban rose I've found, it is worth a listen.

JassyRadlett · 03/11/2021 00:55

On the subject of violence against women and girls, this is a cause that is very important to me. I support and volunteer for charities seeking to achieve change, I lobby politicians, I donate directly to charities that focus on at risk women and girls abroad.

However, seeking to minimise the catastrophic effects of climate change on people in poor countries does those women not one iota of good. It ignores what climate change is already doing, and increasingly will do to some of the most vulnerable communities in the world. Both directly on their survival, and indirectly through its impact on those economies. And that puts women and girls very much at risk.

Bonsaibreaker · 03/11/2021 00:56

Why are you pretending I’ve claimed something I have not? It’s incredibly dishonest. Why don’t you think your arguments can stand on their own merits, without lies?

I didnt!

You said climate change will save the lives of women & girls I asked how.

More food won't reduce rape. Its just something to bargain with.
More money won't reduce rape. More money to buy sex.
Men being richer will definitely not reduce rape.
Do you really think More money in to a country goes to the women?

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MrsSkylerWhite · 03/11/2021 00:56

I did not call you a loon or stupid.

I did demand to know what you are doing because for several pages you evaded the question.

You made a mistake in linking the issues. For the vast majority, climate change is more important. As a “survivor”, it is to me, too, because I care more about my children’s’ future than I do about my past.

Bonsaibreaker · 03/11/2021 00:58

However, seeking to minimise the catastrophic effects of climate change on people in poor countries does those women not one iota of good.

I wasn't minimising it.
I was asking why can the world leaders effectively gather for dolphins but 66,000 women and girls killed each year doesn't even warrant a zoom call!

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Amortentia · 03/11/2021 01:00

@Bonsaibreaker

Why are you pretending I’ve claimed something I have not? It’s incredibly dishonest. Why don’t you think your arguments can stand on their own merits, without lies?

I didnt!

You said climate change will save the lives of women & girls I asked how.

More food won't reduce rape. Its just something to bargain with.
More money won't reduce rape. More money to buy sex.
Men being richer will definitely not reduce rape.
Do you really think More money in to a country goes to the women?

Maybe you don't understand the seriousness of the situation. Over the next 30 years many islands while disappear or become uninhabitable. Those living on the coast or near the equator while have to leave.

We will have mass exoduses, polluted water, polluted air and catastrophic weather events. Oh, and food scarcity. Who do you think is going to suffer the most?

This isn't sensationalism. This is the reality if serious work isn't done now.

Bonsaibreaker · 03/11/2021 01:02

You made a mistake in linking the issues. For the vast majority, climate change is more important. As a “survivor”, it is to me, too, because I care more about my children’s’ future than I do about my past.

And I will not put you down for that. You have chosen your hill and fair play I support you.

I have chosen mine.
I see the suffering rape and murder of girls and women alive right now as a priority. I should not be called stupid a loon or crazy for that yet I have...by other women. That is fucked up to me.

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Sciurus83 · 03/11/2021 01:05

World leaders are not gathering for dolphins. They're just not. To be an effective campaigner you need to put more effort into understanding context and the relationship between these issues. Right now you're just ignorantly yelling into the wrong void. You're right to be angry, but you're misdirecting, you would be more effective if you understood the whole picture.

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