AIBU that world leaders can come together to discuss plastic as it kills dolphins but a 9 year old girl married to a 55 year old man goes unchallenged!

[Bonsaibreaker]

The title says it all.

Yes it's in the fail and in my rage I cannot work out how to copy the link.

Please tell me I'm wrong and missread the story?

Maybe you don't understand the seriousness of the situation. Over the next 30 years many islands while disappear or become uninhabitable. Those living on the coast or near the equator while have to leave
Yes they will and guess what the next country they go to will have women and girls they can rape and abuse!

The world is getting smaller I am not denying that. What I am saying is when it does font let women and girls still be the victims.

Which is exactly what everyone else working on climate change who understands how much it disproportionately affects women and girls is saying! They are your allies not your enemy!

@Bonsaibreaker

Maybe you don't understand the seriousness of the situation. Over the next 30 years many islands while disappear or become uninhabitable. Those living on the coast or near the equator while have to leave Yes they will and guess what the next country they go to will have women and girls they can rape and abuse!

The world is getting smaller I am not denying that. What I am saying is when it does font let women and girls still be the victims.

Displaced woman and children are incredibly vulnerable to predators. The best we can do is ensure they can stay in their place of origin. This is why dealing with climate change, which is completely linked to inequality is one of the best things we can do.

You said climate change will save the lives of women & girls I asked how.

I didn’t. Please don’t keep lying.

More food won't reduce rape. Its just something to bargain with.
More money won't reduce rape. More money to buy sex.
Men being richer will definitely not reduce rape.

Fewer women being hungry and desperate to feed their children means fewer women and girls forced into prostitution.

More women being able to make their own money, rather than being dependent on men, reduces the risk of violence towards those women.

Fewer women being in conflict situations (likely to increase as conflict over decreasing arable land and water) or as refugees, means fewer women at risk.

Do you really think More money in to a country goes to the women?

It can, particularly if the right structures are in place to educate women. That requires political will as well as economic development (and often conditions attached to foreign aid).

Economic growth tends to create economic opportunities for women as well as men. Economic problems tend to affect women first, and harder. We’ve seen that just as much in the UK in the last 20 years as in places like PNG.

In reviews and studies of the effectiveness of various interventions to reduce violence against women and girls, economic empowerment of women consistently features as a strategy that can have a particular effect in low and middle income countries.

Climate change will put more women and girls at risk of gender-based violence. Even if you don’t care about those dying of hunger or in natural disasters, if you care about trying to reduce the rate of violence against women and girls then you should bloody well care about stopping catastrophic climate change.

World leaders are not gathering for dolphins. They're just not.
I was being sarcastic.

It seems I have been taken literally. Thats my fault I thought MN was more intelligent.

I don't think this is just about dolphins I see the bigger picture. However I can be angry that the murders, rapes, fgm and overall female persecution throughout human history and present goes unchallenged by our world leaders yet they meet for "the dolphines" see my point?

@Bonsaibreaker just let it go. They do not care. I cannot comprehend that anyone would worry about the weather when rape is not a crime in so many countries. Why don’t they put sanctions and fines in millions to be paid by countries that do not respect women’s basic right for safety? 10 millions for each child bride? 10 millions for each gang rape? For each honor killing? That would make things change! That would change the world. But no one cares.

@Bonsaibreaker

World leaders are not gathering for dolphins. They're just not. I was being sarcastic.

It seems I have been taken literally. Thats my fault I thought MN was more intelligent.

I don't think this is just about dolphins I see the bigger picture. However I can be angry that the murders, rapes, fgm and overall female persecution throughout human history and present goes unchallenged by our world leaders yet they meet for "the dolphines" see my point?

Maybe if you'd been following Cop26 you would have seen the representatives from developing countries, particularly women who have traveled to Glasgow to talk about the terrifying problems they are facing.

Nobody called you a loon except yourself. I said you were sounding stupider and stupider with every update, not because you are stupid but because you seem to have no ability to take onboard that the issue isn’t that people think children being sold and raped is fine and acceptable but that you compared two incomparable issues, which diluted your initial concern.

“I see the suffering rape and murder of girls and women alive right now as a priority. I should not be called stupid a loon or crazy for that yet I have...by other women. That is fucked up to me.“

I think you were mistaken in trying to compare two equally serious issues and effectively inviting people to take “sides”. It didn’t help that a couple of climate change deniers tried to take advantage.

Thankfully, the majority of posters aren’t personally aware of the horror that you are trying - to be honest in a very confrontational way - to highlight. They are all aware of climate change, though, because in the media these days it’s everywhere we turn.

I don’t think you're stupid, crazy, a loon at all. If you had posed your question differently I suspect you will have received very different, much more supportive replies.

I was an abused child but your preachy tone even managed to piss me off.

You’re right. It’s abhorrent. Insulting people (most of whom are, thankfully, ignorant) really isn’t the way to educate them, though.

Goodnight.

I was asking why can the world leaders effectively gather for dolphins but 66,000 women and girls killed each year doesn't even warrant a zoom call

They’re not fucking gathering for dolphins.

Stop being so disrespectful of the thousands starving and dying in Madagascar right now. Of the island nations who are fighting at these summits for their very existence. Of the millions who die every year because of air pollution caused by fossil fuels. Of those in the poorest countries who are already at much higher risk from the climate change impacts that are already inevitable, let alone the

If the Canadian grain harvest continues to fail, and another couple of failures happen alongside it, it’s not we in the rich countries who’ll go hungry. You think the Global North won’t use its economic might to buy up the food supplies in times of scarcity and leave the poor to starve? God, even look at how we’ve behaved on vaccines. No way climate change will be a ‘first world problem’.

There are, however, many global conferences and summits on the issue of violence against women and girls. They aren’t treaty or negotiation based so you don’t often get widespread high level attendance outside UNGA, but they exist. Have you participated in or lobbied any?

What sort of international treaty do you think we need? What provisions? What interventions that require global cooperation at leader level?

Stop being so disrespectful of the thousands starving and dying in Madagascar right now

I thought I was quite aware of what is happening around the world. But the stuff coming out about Madagascar this week if bloody horrifying.

Fewer women being hungry and desperate to feed their children means fewer women and girls forced into prostitution.

Who is distributing the food?
Men use food as currency.

More women being able to make their own money, rather than being dependent on men, reduces the risk of violence towards those women.

Many countries do not allow women to work. The Taliban have been allowed to enforce this rule.

Fewer women being in conflict situations (likely to increase as conflict over decreasing arable land and water) or as refugees, means fewer women at risk

Women are not in conflict men are. Women are the victims/refuges trying to protect their children in their home.

Economic growth tends to create economic opportunities for women as well as men. Economic problems tend to affect women first, and harder. We’ve seen that just as much in the UK in the last 20 years as in places like PNG

Yeah tell that to the Taliban. Women had jobs. Judges, doctors, specialists all gone. How did climate change help them?

You've displayed a lot of ignorance and refused to engage with any of the sensible posters who have reasonably said why both these things are important and related. You've created a straw man argument based on false assumptions and now are calling everyone else stupid and saying you were just being sarcastic because I think you may be starting to see that your premise is wrong but it's easier to call everyone else dumb and they didn't understand your humour than admit that. But that's fine. You aren't wrong to be angry about these issues AT ALL. Hopefully you will see that they are not at odds once you've done a bit more of your own research and will find you have more allies than you thought. Because you do, especially in climate campaigners. See you when you get there!

I cannot comprehend that anyone would worry about the weather when rape is not a crime in so many countries.

And meanwhile I cannot comprehend how anyone would not worry or care about the deaths from famine in Madagascar caused by that ‘weather’.

I care desperately about violence against women and girls.

Can you explain to me how the predicted impacts of climate change over 2’C would improve the situation in reducing the risk of violence to women and girls?

Stop being so disrespectful of the thousands starving and dying in Madagascar right now.

So I can't say the climate summit is disrespectful to the 66,000 women and girls murdered every year but if I mention them you accuse me of being disrespectful to the plight in Madagascar?

@JassyRadlett I believe that the treatment of women should be a more pressing issue than climate change. I believe we should have an enforceable treaty of women’s right before having one on pollution.

You've created a straw man argument based on false assumptions and now are calling everyone else stupid

Show me 1 post where I called someone stupid.

"It seems I have been taken literally. Thats my fault I thought MN was more intelligent."

There.

You've displayed a lot of ignorance and refused to engage with any of the sensible posters

I have pretty much addressed everyone our at least tried to.
I am not ignorant I just hold a different opinion to you.
At least I don't try to belittle people or call them loons or ignorant as if you are some superior being...
Shall I move over so your large head has space?

Sciurus83

That's not me calling someone stupid. That's me recognising I assumed MN would see my sarcasm.

So show me a post where I called a poster stupid.
Don't get me wrong I probably have I just don't remember.

Who is distributing the food?
Men use food as currency.

And in situations where economies are doing better, women are better educated and food is less scarce, that currency is significantly devalued. Absent crappy policies (just as prevalent in some very rich places in the Middle East as in poor countries), economic developed creates opportunities for women. Economic contraction, overall, hits women first and hardest regardless of policies.

Many countries do not allow women to work. The Taliban have been allowed to enforce this rule.

Allowed by whom? I think the Taliban are abhorrent and I’m heartbroken for the women of Afghanistan. But who do you think gets to ‘allow’ this? How do we prevent it? Honestly keen to hear your proposals - the main ones I’ve seen are sanction-based, and the evidence suggests that sanctions make things worse for women.

Women are not in conflict men are. Women are the victims/refuges trying to protect their children in their home.

I said women are in conflict situations. Why do you persist in misrepresentation? Women in conflict situations are at extreme risk. DRC and the horrific treatment of women in that conflict is just one, extremely awful example.

And some women fight. And many more don’t get to protect their children in their homes, they are driven out and forced into situations of extreme risk.

Yeah tell that to the Taliban. Women had jobs. Judges, doctors, specialists all gone. How did climate change help them?

You’ve just supported my argument. When women were allowed economic independence and agency, they are less at risk of violence. When they are dependent on men, either because of policy or economics, they’re more at risk. This is really well established stuff.

I’ve already said that Afghanistan is an almighty mess, in large part due to the actions of the UK and the US. We should absolutely do whatever we can for those women, but I suspect it’s now limited and I have no confidence that an international summit or treaty would influence the Taliban to change its abhorrent policies. You may think differently, so I’m keen to be enlightened in how you think it would.

But meanwhile, why do you keep asking how climate change will help these women? Everyone keeps telling you it won’t. It will just increase the numbers globally who are poor, desperate and at risk.

And political instability (which goes hand in hand with economic instability) is historically more likely to give rise to authoritarian governments. Very few authoritarian regimes have a great track record on empowering and supporting women and girls.

Allowed by whom? I think the Taliban are abhorrent and I’m heartbroken for the women of Afghanistan. But who do you think gets to ‘allow’ this? How do we prevent it?

So the most powerful leaders in the world can do jack? They let the Taliban in.
If the women and girls were oil then the world leaders would soon be involved.
Hell if it were men that were treated this way it would never happen in the first place!

It's only women and girls...what can we do its not a fight worth fighting for.

Yeh alright, ain't me insulting people here. There's loads of really good information on climate change and impacts on women and girls. Read it, don't, whatever. But you're making up enemies where your allies are. Good night!

I believe that the treatment of women should be a more pressing issue than climate change. I believe we should have an enforceable treaty of women’s right before having one on pollution.

It’s a position - not one that I agree with, because we are at a point with climate change where further delay will mean certain catastrophic impacts, particularly for poor people, are unavoidable.

I’m curious what enforcement mechanisms you would use for that treaty that wouldn’t harm women. And what about countries they didn’t sign up? How long would you delay action on climate change - what’s your tolerance level for death and displacement?

There is already a global charter under UN auspices for gender based violence. It has achieved very little. The evidence all indicates that while different approaches are needed in high income countries vs low and middle income countries, for the latter groups the conditions attached to money are very, very important. The WB and the development banks can often effect greater policy change in a recipient nation than the UN can, or than can be achieved through sanctions. They get a lot of flack for this - but when it comes to the rights and empowerment of women how development spending is allocated and monitored, and the conditions attached to it, can make a huge difference to creating economic opportunity for women, which is one of the greatest protections against gender-based violence for those in poverty.

Taliban to change its abhorrent policies. You may think differently, so I’m keen to be enlightened in how you think it would.

I dont know maybe the world's leaders gathering together with all their power may convince them?

Let's face it there are 20 plus more powerful countries than the Taliban.