How do Scottish parents feel about what 4 year olds are being taught

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So the Scottish govt decided that 4 year olds should be taught about gender dysphoria. Does a 4 year old really need to think about this or be taught about it. Is there anyone you know, looking back wishes that they had been taught this at 4? Who really thinks this is a good idea. Has every other generation been disadvantaged by not having this relentlessly pushed upon them as children. Just cannot get my head around it, and cannot imagine any Scottish parents being ok with this. But they clearly are or otherwise it wouldn’t be happening.

Who is teaching them this? I teach 4 year olds and it's not included in the C for E early level 🤷‍♀️

I should be more accurate. Scottish schools are allowing children to change gender at 4 without parental consent.

@Namechangednotanewuser

I should be more accurate. Scottish schools are allowing children to change gender at 4 without parental consent.

I think you need to give more detail. How does a 4 year old change gender at school?

There is a difference between pushing it and explaining terminology. Do you work for the Scottish daily mail??

Wrong board

Ah right got you. I thought I was having to go back to work next week and explain this to my class of 4s and face irate parents.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/08/12/scottish-four-year-olds-can-change-gender-school-without-parents/amp/

It’s also in the tabloids too. Some outlets seem to have skipped it altogether but it’s widely reported. And no to the default question about being a daily mail reporter. They already covered it.

I think gender dysphoria is real.
I think if it saves a small child from feeling suicidal it's a good thing.
I can only imagine it's an incredibly emotional and hard thing to parent... so much guilt at having let the wrong call be made after birth. Showing signs by 4 and having battled through seeing Drs and being referred - It's hardly something people are going to rush into on a whim.

I imagine lots of trans people look back and wish they had learned about it, yes!

My dc have understood about transgender issues since earlier than 4 and are completely unscathed.

@PicaK

I think gender dysphoria is real. I think if it saves a small child from feeling suicidal it's a good thing. I can only imagine it's an incredibly emotional and hard thing to parent... so much guilt at having let the wrong call be made after birth. Showing signs by 4 and having battled through seeing Drs and being referred - It's hardly something people are going to rush into on a whim.

This is thing, are there 4 year olds running around feeling suicidal because of gender dysphoria? Surely no one can make this argument without a straight face. 4 year olds have bigger problems to worry about like ice cream and toys.

What does "the wrong call being made after birth" mean? Are you saying doctors guess a baby's sex?

I’m a Scottish parent. I’m ok with it. I love that our kids are being brought up in a more tolerant and diverse world.

Of course it's ridiculous. Of course a far more sensible approach would be telling boys and girls that they can be anything they want to be and it's perfectly OK for a boy to dress up as a mermaid or a girl to play football.

The Scottish government and their Greenie sidekicks are however more woke than a woke thing on woke day so it's hardly surprising. Glad mine are all out of secodary.

@PicaK

I think gender dysphoria is real. I think if it saves a small child from feeling suicidal it's a good thing. I can only imagine it's an incredibly emotional and hard thing to parent... so much guilt at having let the wrong call be made after birth. Showing signs by 4 and having battled through seeing Drs and being referred - It's hardly something people are going to rush into on a whim.

I'm sure you'll be able to point to the stats on small children running round feeling suicidal from gender dysphoria?

How is it more tolerant and diverse to ascribe to a theory of gender that is based on harmful stereotypes?

It is utterly utterly utterly bizarre. How, seriously how does a 4 year old change their gender. They can barely write their own name or wash themselves properly. How? This is like an alternate reality where or a Truman show style staged scenario where the tv presenter is going to jump out and go aha, got you! What is going on and how is the craziness of this not being seen.

In a P1 class though when this arises, there are two ways of the teacher dealing with this :

"Miss, Gerald's dressing up as a princess but that's for girls!"

either

"Everyone likes different things and Gerald can dress up as Elsa if he wants to. Just as you can play football"

or

"Gerald's dressing up as a princess because he must want to be a girl, so we'll call him Marjorie and refer to him as she".

One approach is what good nursery and Infant teachers have been doing for YEARS. No "girls toys" and "boys toys" and mixed activity groups. The other approach is ridiculous.

Widely misreported

Early years should be gender neutral. Kids should be kids. .

I ❤@TheGenealogist.
That is a sensible approach. No need for sensationalism.

And I don't think the reporting is really accurate, schools have other fish to fry at 4/5 years.

Really very happy not to live in Scotland. I’d be livid if this ideology was pushed onto my children.

I can only imagine it's an incredibly emotional and hard thing to parent..
Except the parents won't necessarily be informed - it's for the pupil to request the school change their name and pronouns. Parents aren't informed.

@LJAKS

Widely misreported

Read the guidelines document published yesterday. You will find different. It’s not misreported at all. It’s under reported.

As @LJAKS has shown, the information in many newspapers and media sites does not accurately report what is in the new guidance for schools. If young people under 16 wish to change their name and/or recorded then then they need parental agreement.